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Buy or Sell - Dilemma in Gurgaon Real Estate Market


By Unregistered Visitors, Section Gurgaon Real Estate Property
Posted on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 09:21:32 AM EST

Currently buyers and sellers of property in Gurgaon are facing dilemma whether it is the right time to buy or sell property in Gurgaon. To analyse, some of the Factors determining Property Prices in Gurgaon include:
  • Current Prices in Gurgaon: are quite at a higher side compared to property prices in adjoining places such as Delhi, Noida etc.
  • Level of Possession: is quite low in certain sectors, therefore the rate correction is expected to be more drastic in HUDA Sectors as compared to DLF/Sushant Lok also because the level of infrastructure is relatively Better in DLF/Sushant Lok.
  • Status and Development of Infrastructure: Currently the condition of Electricity, Water etc. is ok, but not appreciable. The further development of infrastructure would be a key factor determining demand and supply of Property in Gurgaon.
  • Composition of Demand: Demand for Real Estate in Gurgaon is there for Actual usage as also for Investment / Speculation. Due to large speculation in recent period the general level of property prices (largely residential) has reached new high.
  • Potential Demand: There is definitely potential / latent demand for Gurgaon Property prices provided there is some price correction say to the extent of 20%-25%. The demand is also expected from NRIs, High Networth Individuals, upcoming Blue-chip Corporates etc. provided adequate infrastructure is commensurate with increase in population and facilities.
  • Other Major Projects: The upcoming Express Highway, Metro Rail Project would definitely have a positive impact on the prices of Gurgaon Real Estate but in Medium to Long run (4-6 years).
On the whole, this phase is largely led by bit of confusion, as people who have missed the bus (i.e., not purchased the property in Gurgaon) want prices to come down and people who had joined the bandwagon want prices to go up (to which there is a limit).

On the whole, it is expected that there is expected to be some price correction to the extent of (5%-15%) in the short run as the market is over-priced and over-heated owing to undue increase in prices due to speculation.

At this juncture both the Buyers and Sellers should take informed decision (i.e., consult no. of property dealers, rates in newspaper, valuation of property by expert valuers etc.) instead of relying solely on one / two property dealers.

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there are no buyers. (none / 0) (#7)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Apr 30, 2005 at 09:55:55 AM EST

Occupancy rates in Gurgaon are  15 - 20 %. People in need does not have money to purchase a Rs 45 Lakh home (3 Bed, DD). Suppose some one has 20% downpayment money. If take 20 years loan for 36 lakhs EMI is appx Rs 37,000 - 45,000.  How many people are there in gurgaon who can afford this kind of monthly EMI.

Prices have to fall to realistic levels. Correction definitely due somewhere between 40% - 60%.



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Re:Buy or Sell - Dilemma in Gurgaon Real Estate Ma (none / 0) (#5)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Apr 30, 2005 at 04:27:19 AM EST

By the way NOIDA prices are also high. Even in area like Indirapuram adjoing Noida but it's in Ghaziabad. Price of flat are 2000-2300 sqft and land cost 15K plus.

Yesterday I had a talk with a dealre in Gurgaon and he quoted.

  1. Sector 57: 12-12.5 K per sqyard premimum

  2. Sector 51 and 52: 14-14.5 K per sqyard premimum

Do you find it slowdown? Were the premimum being quoted high earleir?

Do you have any current price analysis? Of course what I quoted is just the info from one dealer.



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Will Fall like a ton of bricks (none / 0) (#1)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 10:01:53 AM EST

The price today is too unrealistic. No one can afford the same. Even with 10 - 20 Lacs per annum it is not affordable. And only few IT proffessionals in Gurgaon get even this much.

Price will correct by 30- 60%. Exactly how much is anyones guess.



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Crackdown (none / 0) (#3)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 11:32:23 PM EST

There is talk of a crackdown on brokers and builders who manipualted land prices and jacked it up on fake transactions with the connivance of the previous govt. Once this happens there would be a rush to sell all the paper transactions to a real buyer WHO ARE IN A SHORTAGE as prices are too high. This is likely to lead to a crash in prices like the stock market crash afteer Harshad Mehta.


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May be 10-20 percent (none / 0) (#2)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 11:13:56 AM EST

60 % correction is less likely, but reduction by  10-20 % in 2-6 months is very much likely. After this correction the prices will grow in a gradual manner as normally a real estate should grow (ie about 3-5 % per year). Hence those who have purchased flats at Rs2000 sqft should not worry too much. The price may come down to Rs1600-1800 in 2-6 months but again it will grow to Rs2200-Rs2400 in 4-6 years. Hence keeping long term investment it should be OK. Similar things will happen to Land prices.

One fact remains that  the growth of price of 40-60 % in 1-2 years as seen in 2004-2005 will never happen as it was the most unrealistic thing that happened because of a hurry to acquire real-estate. Builders will be forced to construct Flats meant for middle class (ie a 2-3 BR House in 15-20 Lacs range without swimming pool and without club and with only 30 percent green area instead of today's 50-80 % green area. How many people really needs swimming pool and club??)



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Let us learn from History (none / 0) (#8)
by rajasharma on Sat Apr 30, 2005 at 10:05:07 PM EST

Very interesting Discussion. Some very positive factors (fundamentals) are in place for India and Gurgaon in particular which are driving the prices up.

At the same time, the reality on the ground is that even though fundamentals are great, these have been over played. The prices started rising over last 3-4 years, first slowly (when recovering from big, deep slow down of 1998-2001) and then the extreme hike of last 15 months or so when India shinin story caught on. Every one tried to jump in (and there could b some nexus of Builder and broker too but who knows). Short term rise has scared many people who are trying to enter the market now.

Every market (take any product category whether it is house, TV sets or restaurents) is like a Pyramid.

At the TOP of the Pyramid, one has a few buyers /people who are typically 1 to 2% who form the top buyers - they like the best quality, flashy choices and are able to pay for it. (In TVs this will be poeple buying Plasmas, LCD TVs, Projection TVs etc.)

Then one has MID segment where people want the best but can normally afford only the medium $ or Rupees. These form 10 to 20% of the market. These MID Segment people make or kill the success of any products. In Electronics field (like TVs, PCs, Handphones etc.), the falling prices bring these people in the fold and market expands slowly which has led to huge boom in Consumer Electronics. Also these people have expanding incomes in India today.

Last, but not the least is the huge BOTTOM of the pyramid which is about 50 to 80% of the market, who want and can afford only what is real value for money.

One thing is certain, Gurgaon Pyramind itself is on a high ground. The bottom layer for Gurgaon itself is higher than other cities including Delhi as there are no super cheap colonies / slums in general. No place for BOTTOM 50 to 80% - Gurgaon has pitched itself to TOP and MEDIUM and is a premier place for living and that is fine.

Now if one sees the Development and price rise for real estate in Gurgaon, there are 2 things happening:

a) Prices have risen for everything in general (General Pric rise)
b) There is a shift (from builders and suppliers) to focus on bigger size, better specification flats.

If someone says that the most expensive flat in Gurgaon in 2002 was Rs. 50-100 Lacs and now it is 250 to 400 Lacs, it is not driven by only price rise but also shift in product.

The problem in Gurgaon may not be price rise only (and which could see some correction and that is normally easier and faster). Taking the TV example, dropping price is easy.  

The bigger problem is the product itself and that correction is very difficult to come by. If all the manufacturers are making only Plasmas, changing to our normal CRT 21 inch TV means the manufacturing line has to be changed which takes months if not years.

The biggest problem today is that there are far too many flats being built for the TOP end where only 1 to 2% people (less than 5% definitely) can afford. These are those high end flats like ICON, Aralias ... This will also include 300 and 500 square Yard plots (with or without construction) - all costing 100 Lacs and above.

There are also a lot of so called Medium cost flats costing 35 to 80 Lacs but these can be afforded by only the top end of Medium segment. These are typical segment of Executives, self employed business men (Doctors, professionals) etc.

Bulk of the Mid Segment has salaries in the range of 4 to 8 Lacs per annum and family income of 4 to 15 Lacs. If they do the maths correctly (which some people will not - there was a great article on the calculation in an earlier acrticle in February on this site - Why promises cost more than the real deal?), they can only aford a house of 15 to 30 Lacs (max). There are not too many options being built in this range at all. I could be guessing but this huge buyer market is driving the demand for single floors (which used to cost less for a long time) as well as some society flats even though these are not the best places to stay or even legally correct (some of them) options. People have even gone and bought some flats at 5 to 8 Kms away from Gurgaon main (Ansals Valley View which will take God knows how many years to fully develop the area - try going there at 9:00 PM and it will scare one to death but people are buying just because that is all they can afford).

IF a slowdown comes (which it seems likely), I think there will be 2 phases of correction:

A. Immediate price drop of 10 to 20% which will lower the prices for everything
B. Longer term product change - bigger share of medium segment flats. This will help lower the effective cost for buyers(please note I did not say lower the price as specifications will be different). I see 2 big problems in this happening though:

  • If all the land near current main Areas of Gurgaon is already allocated for all the TOP segment / expensive flats, how to change those to MID segment ones? Is there any land left for medium segment flats at all? DLF was forced to do this in 1996-2000 when it came up with Ridgewood etc. starting at 1000 p.s.f. and since DLF had so much land it did not matter to them.
  • what can be done for plots - either sale by floors will go up even for HUDA plots (like in Delhi) or prices of plots will drop even more to make it affordable. If that happens, it will lead to plots falling by a huge 10 to 50% over 1 to 2 years (on top of 10 to 20% immediately). I hope HUDA does not get bribed into allowing the plots to be converted to floor sales else Gurgaon will become mad place to stay as plots originally allocated for 1 family will be used by 3 or 4 or even more. Pressure on resources (roads, water, electricty....) will be crazy. HUDA has set the minimum price of 5500 per square yard for plats. The real prices will come closer to that slowly.

This long term correction will keep happening till normal inflation plus India and Gurgaon strong funadamentals catch up.  

Above is just a hypothesis based on some solid Market dynamics (Pyramid etc. which no one can dispute) which is ALWAYS true, some market information on salaries (which is also based on som solid data), some market trends BUT still no one knows for sure. Buyer Beware.



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Prices have to fall (none / 0) (#10)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat May 21, 2005 at 09:25:36 AM EST

I really like your analysis. I think it is based on very sound marketing analysis.
In fact I had also written on this website some time back that if you just consider a very simple financial model that you invest in gurgaon today and recover your investment over your life or lets over the next twenty years through rent, given the 15-20% occupancy rates and low rents in gurgaon relative to delhi, you will need an amazing rate of growth of rents, that is you would need inflation in india to be so high which will be disastrous.
Anyone who sees financial assets knows that firstly given the huge price to earnings ratio and secondly the 100% growth rate in gurgaon over the last year is clearly a bubble, even if you are not aware of the broker-builder nexus.
One broker countered my analysis saying that I should only see the return on white money and forget about the black involved. Well he is right for those people who have black money from criminal activities or for corrupt politicians, policemen, MCD junior engineers etc because the black money that they have is free and not theirs but what they have got by effectively selling their morals (and are no different from women working in you know what....)
However, for honest hard working tax payers of this shining nation, the financial preposition is not worth it at all. Even in the worst case scenario of our views, if the prices do go up by 5%, even the saving accounts in banks are paying that much rate. So why put hard earned money in gurgaon- doesnt make sense



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A good honest analysis (none / 0) (#9)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Apr 30, 2005 at 11:21:06 PM EST

A good unbiased analysis which is rare as the site seems to be driven by brokerss.

Always remember bubbles in stocks, property, or commoditioes always start with a good reason but gets overdriven by shortsigned investors and manipulators. The property boom started for good reasons and India and Gurgaon still have a good story. Busame has been built into the price. Even if the price falls 60% the rates are ok.

A good indicator would be the rental yield. (Similar to divident yield). And occupancy rates. Both indicatee bubble status.



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Beg to disagree (none / 0) (#4)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Apr 30, 2005 at 12:26:25 AM EST

  • Real estate prices in NCR will grow till 2010.
  • One of the main reason is the population growth.
  • Other factors like Commonwealth games, etc.
  • What % they will grow is speculation and I dont think we should get into that. The bottom line is that they will grow.
  • So you have to decide whether you are a trader or investor.
  • If a trader then you will loose a lot of sleep and keep on worrying about minor corretions.
  • If you are an investor, pl have a timeframe of 4-5 years and you will be handsomly rewarded.
  • Luck always favors the brave and patience is always rewarded.
  • So be matured in your thinking and stop listening to all the losers on this website who missed the bus.

Best of luck and all of you inverstors (mind you not traders) will have the last laugh all the way to the bank.

A very positive individual.
- Cheers.



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Remember Harshad (none / 0) (#6)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Apr 30, 2005 at 09:25:52 AM EST

History is a great teacher


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