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Parsvnath Plans To Not Reduce Prices Even Have To Go Up: Pradeep Jain

By Riti, Section Gurgaon Real Estate Property
Posted on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 06:25:44 AM EST

Parsvnath Developers Ltd (PARV.BO: Quote, Profile, Research) has no plans to reduce prices of its properties, a top official of the real estate company said on Wednesday.

"There is no question of reducing prices at all. Prices have to go up," Pradeep Jain, chairman and managing director said.

He also said rising input costs would be passed on to the consumers.

Source:Reuters.com 16thJuly2008.

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Parsvnath Plans To Not Reduce Prices Even Have To Go Up: Pradeep Jain | 34 comments (34 topical, 0 hidden) | Post A Comment

Look at the stock price of Parsvnath (none / 0) (#10)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 12:13:41 PM EST

Have a good look at the stock price of Parsvnath. It has fallen from Rs. 598 level in January to Rs. 103 odd as on 16-July-2008. The IPO came at around 300 level about 1 year ago. So people have already lost their shirts by trusting these real estate companies but it has not stopped Mr. Jain from talking big on TV in his broken english.

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Ansal Megapolis - Greater Noida (none / 0) (#8)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 07:33:32 AM EST

Has anyone got any info on Ansal Megapolis - Greater Noida project - Is it worth investing keeping 5 years in mind.

Dealers are saying all small plots sized 200/240/375 sqyard are already sold out.

Thanks in Advance.

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Ansal Megapolis - Greater Noida (none / 0) (#19)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 03:52:45 AM EST

Ansals Megapolis is surely not worth to book at such a large price because the appreciation has already been considered by Ansals for the next 5-10 years. As the slow down is being reflected in this sector, so the builders are trying to trap the customers by new offers to collect funds.
Almost every Big players are facing a financial crunch and this way they want to overcome the funds problems. Further the money collected with these schemes will be used to complete the already under construction projects. The developemnt of this project will really be a big challenge for Ansals.

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Ansal Megapolis - Fortune favours the Brave (none / 0) (#20)
by sush on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 05:45:04 AM EST

-- Plots in Kundli was launched @4750 per sqyrad in year 2005 - now they are worth 25k per sqyard

-- Plots were launched in BPTP faridabad in year 2005-6 @7750 - now they are worth 18-20k per sqyard

In both the places very little has changed in the last 3 years - In fact no development from govt point of view. From the last 2 years property market throughout india is either stagnated or has slumped -- THEN WHY THESE PLACES HAS GIVEN SUCH HIGH APPRECIATION ?

Boy - India is a unique country - There is no such rule - If you follow A+B+C then you will get to D.

I follow my gut feeling and invested my hard earned money in the project keeping 10 years in time.

Time will tell who was right and who was not.

Sush

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fortune favours the brave (none / 0) (#22)
by knightrider on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:13:58 AM EST

not the reckless!

anyway , one cant argue with gut feelings..enjoy your success if you get it and take failure with grace as I am sure you would.

in a decade I am sure your decision would be a profitable one on face value.

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bpo boom over, gurgaon to go to stone ages (none / 0) (#23)
by bitseee on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 06:17:37 AM EST

asper ndtv

Varun Sinha

Sunday, July 13, 2008 (Gurgaon)

For the first time the BPOs in India are conducting large-scale lay offs and the industry agrees that with the US economy slowing down India's call centre boom may finally be over.

Gurgaon's call centres have for years been the first choice of college graduates, who don't mind odd hours, in exchange for [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]quick [COLOR=blue! important]money[/color][/color][/color]. But now the dream run is being replaced by a reality check.

Rajeev, a Senior Customer Care Executive at Convergys has worked at five different call centres in the last seven years. He's looking for a change again, but this time not out of choice.

''This is the first time I feel I am heading no where. I have been asked to leave because of something I haven't done,'' he said.

Rajeev is one of the 450 [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]employees[/color][/color] fired in the last two weeks by a Gurgaon BPO called 24/7 Customers.

Reason being that this UK-based mobile phone company has decided to cut back its India operations.

In a written statement, the company said that all affected employees have been provided the option of continuing at other centres like Hyderabad and Bangalore. For those who do not wish to relocate, the company would assist in finding job with other [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]call [COLOR=blue! important]centres[/color][/color][/color].

But that isn't reassuring for an industry where job security has always been taken for granted.

Umar, a team Leader at 24/7 Customer, ''I need to feed my family, that is the most important thing. People are ready to relocate to Hyderabad, but they are rejecting people like anything.''

The orange crisis has led to lay offs at two other Call Centres, Convergys and EXL services.

And this comes after 400 people were let go last month by another BPO giant, Keane India, after a [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]merger[/color][/color] and a scaling down of size.

Sam Chopra, president, BPIAI said, ''Because of the recession the demand for people has not been like before.''

Worries are increasing, Peter fired from 24/7 Customers said, ''We are not sure what we are going to get, we have no job and no money.''

Gurgaon has long been the field of dreams for 20 something, looking for good money. The reality check is unexpected.

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Is it BPO becuase of Gurgaon or vice versa ?? (none / 0) (#27)
by creative on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:16:01 PM EST

Here you are again Bitsee!! Welcome with your imagination !! Sometimes I really pity your intelligence. You really justify your name - bitsee - as you see only a bit and not the whole picture. Just because there is a temporary slump in the job market in BPO does not mean Gurgaon will go to stone age? ha ha ha ..... Was it so before BPOs entered Gurgaon? BPOs entered gurgaon because it was already developed and was ready to cater to their needs. It is not that BPOs were already there and then Gurgaon developed. BPOs or no BPOs, gurgaon will continue to develop and keep attracting many more investors which will bring in more jobs.

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Credit to Bitsee (none / 0) (#28)
by OompaLoompa on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 10:14:34 AM EST

In the past I have tried to lynch Bitsee verbally, but I give him credit now for putting his argument much more rationally. I still tend to believe that real estate price fall/crash will come as a part of higher interest rate,excessive speculation, impending delivery of flats which will force the investors hand into selling/holding out.
As far BPO is concerned , more impact will be felt around malls, nightclubs etc where 20 somethings might cut down on their revelry either because of layoff or fear of an impending one.

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fidelity moves outa gurgaon-darkdays ahead (none / 0) (#31)
by bitseee on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:12:04 AM EST

fidelity is closing its office in gurgaon due to high rental and moving to chennai

clearly shows gurgaon future

in 2-3 years 30% companies will move outa here

gurgaon is useless place

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in-fidelity (none / 0) (#33)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:52:06 AM EST

Chennai really must have some real sexy cost savings tempt fidelity to break her vows to the high and mighty gurgaon. Wake up property wallas..capitalism is an endless hunt for cost efficiency and innovation. Gurgaon has just been Chennai-d if not bangalored!

An aside..Incase there is another armchair economist here, care to comment on linking asset inflation to inflationary expectations? (My line of thought: Indian companies operating margins are much higher than foreign counterparts, Indian traders and businessmen have a long history of profiteering instead of working on low margins and higher and higher volumes: One could link it with the desperation to stay within delhi/ncr and constantly aspiring for that ever elusive overpriced real estate.Its a vicious circle of asset inflation and inflationary expectations/profiteering tendency feeding each other.)

Imagine this humongous US real estate crash has happened because home prices DOUBLING or growing 50% in some areas in around 4-5 years..now compare it with whats happened in India!

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4 bits-pee (none / 0) (#32)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:22:03 AM EST

by bitspee

/fidelity is closing its office in gurgaon due to high rental and moving to chennai
clearly shows gurgaon future

in 2-3 years 30% companies will move outa here

gurgaon is useless place /

yes... and that useless place just became d fastest grwin city in IT exports....

have a luk 2 this bitspee..

<a href="http://www.financialexpress.com/news...8-k-cr/339508/">http://www.financialexpress.com/news...8-k-cr/339508/</a>
The total exports from Gurgaon in the information technology & IT- enabled services industry has touched a figure of Rs 18,000 crore at the end of last financial year 2007-08.

Stating this here on Wednesday, an official spokesman said in the year 2006-07, software export from Gurgaon was Rs 15,000 crore where as it was Rs 10,700 crore in 2005-06.

In Gurgaon, the Industry is growing at the rate of about 40% , which is much above the national average of about 28%.

In order to give boost to the IT industry, a regional IT industry promotion office has been set up in Gurgaon. He said, "Gurgaon is fast emerging as an IT hub and there are about 400 IT and IT Enabled services (ITeS) companies operating in the district. It has emerged as a preferred destination for IT industry after the announcement of IT policy by government of Haryana." He said that you name any renowned IT company of the world and you will find it's office in Gurgaon.

Recently, an American company Thompson, which is known for graphics and animation in the world, had also set up its office in Gurgaon. He said that due to the liberal policies of Hooda government, a phenomenal growth was registered here.

agar thodi bi sharam baaki ha bitspee to do reply..... post karke bhaag mat jaaya karo..

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: rbi hikes crr rates (none / 0) (#34)
by bitseee on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 01:03:05 AM EST

rbi has hiked rates
home loan rates will increase by 1%
crash ready to happen

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wow@ oompaloompa! (none / 0) (#29)
by knightrider on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:55:14 AM EST

bitsee..tusi chaa gaye boss! :)

Sachi bat kahi thi main......
Logon ne suli pe chadhya
Mujhko jaher ka jam pilaya
Phir bhi unko chain na aaya

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you are right (none / 0) (#24)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 06:35:28 AM EST

bitsee you are the only one who makes sense in this site. keep it up

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gurgaon property is down 50% (none / 0) (#25)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:52:31 PM EST

See the recent rates:
DLF -2 40000/yd
Sushant lok 1 12000/yd
all huda colonies are down 45%

Man where this will stop. People are losing money and shirt, Government is doing nothing

Is this is future considering USA and UK property market

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: Another speculation ?? (none / 0) (#26)
by creative on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:08:29 PM EST

You seem to be one of those who are making wild guesses/comments on the stagnated property prices in Gurgaon. What is the source of your data on prices in DLF and Sushant Lok? I might be interested if the rates quoted by you are indeed true i.e. Rs. 12000 per sq. yard in Sushant Lok-I. If what you state is true ( which I am sure is like Alice in Wonderland), I shall be grateful to you, otherwise we have another bitsee on this portal whose hate for gurgaon is not lost on anyone here.

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reason to proximity to delhi (none / 0) (#21)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 07:33:25 AM EST

Learn it the stupid way- location location location -

jaipur has went down , Sonipat no takes , except NCR nothing is giving appreciation

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Ansal Megapolis - Greater Noida (none / 0) (#11)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 09:11:31 PM EST

Ansal Megapolis is not at good location at all.
It is located on Lal kuan( Ghaziabd)-Bulandshahar road after Dadri. The Bodaki( exact megapolis site as claimed by Ansals)is next small railway stop after DADRI towrds Khurja/ Bulandshahr/ Aligarh.
Dadri is dusty town approximately 20 km away from Lal Kuan and Megapolis site is after Dadri. Dadri is a dusty town with congested road without any infrastructure and always with traffic jams as it is on highway which goes to Bulandshahr/ Khurja/Aligarh. At dadri only one Railway line crossing which is closed for hours at a time to pass many trains but one bride construction is going on. After this crossing there is no approach towards Greater Noida. How people will cross railway line to come towards Greater Noida?

Ansal builder is claiming 5 natural lakes in Megapolis but these are Village POKHARS/ JOHARS in which buffalos live and this is low area in which water fills in rainy season.
Though it comes in greater noida district but it is on one side of Greater Noida. Proposed international airport is just opposite side towards Jewer town.
The question is why Ansal have not mentined name of Dadri because they want to fool people and want to encash on the name of Greater Noida.

Here rates of land is not higher than Rs.500 per sq. yard at which Ansals have purchased and probably they want to sell on more than Rs.10000 per sq yard FOR WHICH THERE IS NO TAKERS AT ALL.
Dalle( Agents) are making fool that small plots are sold out. They are doing because they have commision on booking. This area has no development, Infrastrucure and Industry and at least need further 15 to 20 years to devlop. What will one do if distance is more and no job there.
If you are interested than please visit site and than decide by keeping advantages and disadvantages in mind.

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: few points to look at (none / 0) (#12)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Jul 17, 2008 at 02:46:29 AM EST

Well the entire idea of this kind of township is to transform the area completly - whether it's infrastructure or industry.
When no good located plot in greater noida is available for less than 30,000 per syard - I think this offer is much better from long term investment point of view. I am not surprised if they have already sold off there first phase of small plots. I mean in 13000 per sqyard - What and where do you get land in Delhi or NCR ???
These are the indicative prevailing rates in Delhi n NCR
Delhi - 1-6 lakh per sqyard
Gurgaon - 50k-1lakh per sqyard
Noida - 50k-1lakh per sqyard
Faridabad - 15-35k per sqyard
Gaziabad - 25-40k per sqyard
Greater noida - 25-35k persqyard
manesar - 20-25k per sqyard
Tell me where you can get plots for less than 13k per sqyard ?????
Ansal is a reputed brand and will try it's level best to make this project successful in 5-7 years time. I am confident once development will trickle through noida/greater noida in few years time - This will bound to get lot of appreciation.
This is something not for speculators or short term investor - If you have additional sum and can afford to pay the installment over the next 3 years -- This is a wise investment by any yard stick.

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Lies Lies (none / 0) (#9)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 07:40:44 AM EST

In fact these plots are super expensive with no takers. Builders are cheating you with brokers who have vested interests. Ask them references of 10 people who have done bookings. (Not enquiries) They will run away.

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Ansal Megapolis - Greater Noida (none / 0) (#13)
by sush on Thu Jul 17, 2008 at 03:36:51 AM EST

After struggling for 3 days I have managed to book one plot ( size 275 sqyard) today and boy you have to see the mad rush in there office.

You are talking about reference of 10 people - In the last 2-3 days i have seen more than 50-60 bookings in there office from my own eyes - All looks to me investors. In front of my eyes - One bunch of investor in a group bought 11 plots sized 240 sqyard in one go -- Whole lane -- bloddy hell.

I don't know much about the exact location - nor i have seen the location but i have always invested keeping 8-10 years in mind - and my gut feelings says in a long run it's going to be a great investment. I am confident Ansal will do there level best as this is there most amitious project till date. By 2010 formula 1 will start in G.noida which will bring in foreign tourist/international media attention/hotels/roads/resturants etc and this place will rock big time.

Also - where else you can buy plots at 13k per sqyard that too in installment spreading over 3 years ?

It doesn't hurt and i can live with this.

I think it's worth a shot.

Thanks
Sush

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Compare with bank FDs (none / 0) (#30)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:44:09 AM EST

I was thinking of investing in 2 Ansal Megapolis plots. Instead I have invested my money in HDFC Bank FDs. They are offering 10.5% interest for deposits of over Rs. 15 lacs for a tenure of 1 year and 3 days. Given that the interest is compounded annually, yield will be over 11% in 1 year and my investment in FDs is 100% safe and liquid.

Whereas those who are investing in Ulta Pradesh (U.P.) are depending on whims and fancy of Mayawati government, which has stopped work on a many projects planned in the tenure of previous government.

If the plots don't appreciate by 11% in next 1 year, then I will come out ahead of those who invested in plots instead of say bank FDs.

We must note that very few projects that have been pre-launched or launched in last 1 year are quoting at premiums right now. Almost all are available in resale at a discount to the original booking price or at par. In fact I'd like some real estate bulls on Gurgaonscoop to tell me the names of a few projects launched anywhere in NCR during last 12 months that are quoting at 10% or more premium to the booking price right now.

I can still buy the plots at anytime in resale, if I want to. Chances are that I'll be able to buy at cheaper rates after 1 year from now because there are always some desperate sellers in the resale market of projects where price increase doesn't happen within 6 months of booking.

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Sush can you give your email id (none / 0) (#17)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Jul 17, 2008 at 08:49:26 AM EST

Sush, As I have also invested in Megapolis project, I thisk we can share the thoughts....

Regards,
NRI

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: email id (none / 0) (#18)
by sush on Thu Jul 17, 2008 at 09:01:20 AM EST

bajajsushmita@yahoo.co.in

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Typo - It's 375sqyard not 275sqyard (none / 0) (#14)
by sush on Thu Jul 17, 2008 at 03:39:29 AM EST

Typo - It's 375 sqyard not 275 sqyard

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: It's true (none / 0) (#16)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Jul 17, 2008 at 04:23:22 AM EST

Even I got one 375 sq yards plot booked yesterday.
There is indeed a mad rush for the plots. The ones available right now are 568 and 938 sq. yards.

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: It's true (none / 0) (#15)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Jul 17, 2008 at 04:22:58 AM EST

Even I got one 375 sq yards plot booked yesterday.
There is indeed a mad rush for the plots. The ones available right now are 568 and 938 sq. yards.

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Also ... (none / 0) (#6)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 06:43:15 AM EST

Why should developers be making 300% margins :

1/ It costs 1750/psft to build reasonable specs.
2/ land cost is Rs 150/psft.
[at 1 Cr per acre @ 1.5 FAR]
3/ The customer pays for the club and parking(the
foundation cost) and EDC IDC crap etc.
4/ Covered area is 65% of the supper area.
[this should be the developer margin ideally].

Why then should the property go for 6000/psft ????.

I hope the market forces will make sure that the margins become healthy at about 25% for everyone to be a winner.

That would be liberalization really working :):):).

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Living in the past (none / 0) (#5)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 06:32:04 AM EST

I hope no one/or few can sit on the supply forever; the market seems to be too big and there seems to be a reasonable amount of competition as well.

Mr Jain can sit on his inventory if he can afford to - the others will tango.

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jain sahaab (none / 0) (#4)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 05:57:16 AM EST

Jain Sahaab ke batti lagne waali hai

Already there shares are available @Rs.100 - down from the peak of Rs.450 and still they are acting like this ..:-)

Jain Sahaab - You have done well for yourself - In the last 30 years you have moved from being a property dealer to one of the biggest developer in India - Abb tu thoda dimaag se kaam loo.

Property prices are set for a further correction of 20-30% in many areas. This kind of attitude will not do any good to parsvnath.

DLF is the biggest chor available in the market. Vatika is not far behind. This is the time to buy our own land and build your own house - instead of buying 3rd class property at astronmical prices.

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Good point (none / 0) (#3)
by RigidRock on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 05:03:21 AM EST

I like the way you analyzed DLF. Why are the customers so dumb?

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: Wake up and smell the coffee! (none / 0) (#7)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 07:26:13 AM EST

Hacklers can hackle all they want, but prices ain't coming down. Only small builders will go out of business or may reduce the price. If you are a buyer, good luck!

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why not? (none / 0) (#2)
by knightrider on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 03:34:22 AM EST

Why do builders have such an ego problem in reducing prices? Maruti gives discounts on its cars..honda offers all kinds of schemes..banks offer discounts when markets are slow..every business with any sense adapts to changing times.

He can raise prices again if demand looks up..I wish someone would put some sense into Mr Jain's head on this matter.

And what about DLF's buyback offer? They still havent done any construction at new town heights..there is no money with any developer to complete their projects but they have the brilliant idea of buying back shares costlier than they sold them last year! What for? To make a point to unknown people that we are richer than the market thinks! sheesh!Why dont you finish your projects quickly and at a reasonable cost man so you can build more houses for this country!

I have many names I want to call these exalted minds but I'll refrain in the interest of decency.

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vinaash kaal'e (none / 0) (#1)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 03:12:54 AM EST

vipreet buddhi :)

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