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In DLF's Belvedere Park, water level now down to the basement. 'Your building could be next'


By Sumit Kumar, Section Civic Problems in Gurgaon
Posted on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:53:47 AM EST

It is supposed to be a worldclass city in the making, minus the amenities. Behind the facade of high-rises and condominiums hide very basic issues like blocked sewer lines and missing storm water drains.

What the 1,000-odd residents of Belvedere Park experienced on Thursday could have had happened in any multi-storeyed apartment complexes in DLF, Sushant Lok or South City In fact, there were several complaints of water entering the basement in housing colonies developed by private developers.

Most residential sectors in new Gurgaon do not have storm water drains and trunk sewer lines. While some developers have provided storm water drains in their colonies, they serve little purpose in absence of connecting peripheral drains.

"The authorities might be constructing peripheral drains on paper but nothing is happening on ground.

Even a little rain results in waterlogging," said Col. Rattan Singh (retired), chairman, Joint Action Forum of Residents' Association.

The developers bought gram panchayat land and constructed buildings. "Some drains were filled by the developers and some have been encroached upon by villagers. Rainwater will automatically flow back or stagnate in absence of drains," said R.S. Rathee, president, Qutub Enclave Residents Welfare Association.

'I wish I could sell off this house and move'

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Residents complained that representations made to the government have failed to yield results. "The government has collected over Rs 3,000 crore as external development charges from plot-owners through developers but not even as single penny has been spent on development projects in Gurgaon," said Rathee. Gurgaon has witnessed massive construction and development with large number of private developers coming up with residential, commercial, institutional and retail projects. But the government, said residents, failed to keep up with the face of development.

They said the government allowed constructions instead of building infrastructure before that and is planning to develop basic infrastructure now. "The Haryana Urban Development Authority (HUDA) is laying down trunk sewer line and peripheral storm water drain system now. The drains and sewer lines laid by us in residential colonies do not have an outfall," said a senior DLF official.

HUDA administrator G. Anupama, however, said the development work is going on in full swing. "The work is in progress in phases and pipes are being laid in various areas.

It's a huge progress and we hope to complete it within a year," said G. Anupama.

"You must agree that the population of Gurgaon has crossed over 10 lakh and there is lot of floating population as well. The pressure is humongous," she added.

'I wish I could sell off this house and move'
Wphen Vandana Taneja's family bought their plush apartment in Belvedere Park DLF Phase III, they never thought they would be wading through waist deep water someday The problem after flooding is so acute that many families have left their houses and gone to live in houses of their friends and families.

With no help for two days, the residents sought the help of Delhi Metro Rail Corporation for pumping out water from their apartment complex.

"Finally out of sheer helplessness, we called up the Metro officials to help us out. They provided extra pump sets and told us more would be provided if needed," said Taneja.

For the last three days the residents of this plush apartment complex are fighting to get back on their feet and get back to normal life.

The whole area was waterlogged and residents were either trapped inside their houses or left stranded on the streets.

Even after 72 hours, there is no water supply Cars in the parking lots are badly damaged, so are the pump sets and generators, which stopped working when the basement was flooded.

DLF workers are still pumping out water. But the main fear they have now is the spread of dengue in the complex.

Monish Dhawan, a member of the Board of Managers Belvedere Park Condominium Association, said: "Till now there have been eight cases of dengue in our society We fear stagnant water here might increase the toll. We are doing everything to prevent it but the authorities should come forward to help." "The whole place is in a mess. Our cars were flooded and we still have no water supply We have been running around for the last three days just because authorities did not complete their work in time. We are suffering because of them," said Indira Unninayar, secretary of the association.

According to the association, the drains in the residential colony do not have an outfall and since it is in a low-lying area, water rushed in the complex on heavy rains.

VR. Kheterpal, a resident at the complex, said: "Five years ago we suffered a similar situation. But after that we never suffered that much.

But this time the situation was horrific. Had HUDA completed their work in time, we would not have this problem." Meanwhile, DLF authorities have pressed workers who are pumping out water from the basement and removing mud, which gathered around the complex.

But the residents are still fuming.

"I wish I could sell off this house to move to a better place. After shelling out my hard earned money I do not deserve this," said Taneja.

Source: HT, Aug-17-2008

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We no longer live in an isolated world (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by bangbandhu on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:26:16 AM EST

Dear sir,

Times have changed significantly in those 36 years that you have lived in the US most notably in the past decade or so. We no longer live in an isolated world but live in a wired and flat world where you have unprecedented level of access to information around the globe. Indians are traveling around the world like never before and are getting exposed to global standards. Similarly, lots of foreigners are coiming to India to work as a stint in India or China on their CVs has become a much sought-after attribute. Many of us are being invited for dinner by foreigners when we travel abraod and we are inviting foreiners living in india for dinner to our homes as well. Most people living in New Gurgaon would have travelled to many countries many times and many of us have lived abroad for a few years.

In such a scenario, there are many reasons why there can not be huge divergence in our view of luxury vis-a-vis the first world though some differences across countries are understandable. In particular, in places like New Gurgaon where most people have ample global exposure and which is a home to a large number of NRIs and expats.

  1. Media hype is purely embarrassing: I did not know if you witnessed the media hype over a silver medal that we won in the last Olympic or the 3 medals that we have won in this Olympic. If you think about the foreigners watching this hype or reading our newspapers, you feel like hiding somewhere as we are making our nation a laughing stock of others - they must be thinking - people in the second most populous country in the world are jumping around and feeling proud of their achievements by winning 1 Gold and 2 Bronze medals while the most populous nation has accumulated 46 Gold medals so far. Similarly, when media or real estate tycoons call something a luxury, people do not think that the difference in their perception and reality would be so stark until they see it. Another example of media hype - People who come to Bangalore for the first time, can not believe their eyes and sometimes ask - Is this what you call "Silicon Valley" of India ?

  2. It creates perception about our notion of quality and the quality of our products and services:
India has undoubtedly made good progress in the last decade and half with software being the main proponent of this growth. Despite the progress made, lower cost and a large number of English speaking people still remain our chief strengths. While Indian companies are trying to move up the value chain, they are still struggling to gain acceptance as "consultants". Tatas were snubbed by a global luxury hotel chain and doubts have been cast about Tata's ability to manage premium brands Jaguar and Land Rover. All this is because India as a brand still stands for poor quality. We need to change this and we need to be careful about what we term as premium or luxurious.
  1. Thanks to the Socialist era, price of "luxury" is high in India: Though times have changed, due to the hangover of the socialist era, we still classify certain things as luxury and impose heavy taxes which limits demand and impedes economic growth. Not long ago, Color TVs were classified as luxury products and a color TV used to cost twice as much as in the US. Even now, prices of color TVs are higher than most of the developed world thanks to high levels of taxes (and, of course, lower volumes)
  2. Our blinkered visio of luxury creates scarcity and leads to high prices impacting our industries (such as tourism):
A Five star hotel in Quala Lumpur costs half or one third of what it costs in Delhi or Agra. We have simply not invested in deevloping more hotels. Malaysia stands nowhere in comparison to India as far as the potential for tourism goes. And yet, it attracts twice as many tourists thanks to better infrastructure and higher affordability.
5. It lowers standards of living in India:
Once we accept something as "luxury", the provider charges a premium for that. Further, in this wired world, a lot of people around the world are gullible to the hype and they start investing in our "luxury" without seeing it with their eyes thus further pushing up the prices. Encouraged by this, providers push their already high margins even higher. We do not see an efficient market and we pay a very high price for what is a third rate product by global standards.

I understand that India has remained stagnant for most of those 36 years but now things are changing and I sincerely hope that our media people and others also get connected to the world soon and understand the implications of what they say or write.

 



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Gutter-Gaon (none / 0) (#12)
by PS on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:41:13 AM EST

This is exactly why Gurgaon is also known as Gutter-Gaon.


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Luxury Condos (none / 0) (#4)
by bangbandhu on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 09:13:24 AM EST

Of  "Luxury" Condos, "Visionary" Builders, "Enlightened" Journalists, "Judicious" NRIs , "Super-Optimist" Investors and "Far-sighted" Government

Belvedre Park news coverage for 2-3 days in Hindustan Times might have shocked apartment owners and prospective buyers but was it something totally unexpected? It reminded me about the cracks that got developed in another DLF property Hamilton Court during an earthquake a couple of years back. It would be interesting to examine the roles of various players in building what Hindustan Times describes as "an Urban mess called Gurgaon".

First the journalists who repeatedly describe Gurgaon apartments as "luxury" or "super luxury" condominiums. But are they really so? Or are they like dwelling units of economically weaker sections of the society in a developed country? Is having a tiny swimming pool makes a complex "luxury" complex? Or having something as basic as uninterrupted power and water a luxury? Most of the existing DLF apartments have very little open space. Many of them have a cramped structure where if you put a king size bed in a bedroom or a large sofa in the living room, you would not have any space to move around. I guess even in this globalization era, for media, the luxury is a relative term having a reference to the living conditions in the third world countries.

Then, the "visionary" builders who claim to be building India. Have you seen the "world class" traffic chaos at the "world class" Cyber City? When it rained recently, it was also literally raining in the basement of this world class building built by the largest builder in the world. The builders who were selling "luxury" apartments at Rs.2000/sft  - Rs 2500/sft which included good profit margins, when faced with a situation of  increasing demand from genuine home buyers as well as investors, kept increasing selling price to take it to absurd levels. Worse, they tried to outbid each other in acquiring new land and raised the land prices to unheard of levels hugely raising the expectations of the farmers. Now, in a recessionary real estate market and rising inflation, this is something which is going to hurt them badly. Builders also invented "innovative" scams such as pre-launches through which the apartments were "sold" to investors thus creating an artificial supply crunch to push up the prices. Builders also built a cartel to ensure that they enjoy high profit margins, thanks to all the investors, and the end user got a raw deal.

NRIs, perhaps reading the articles describing the "global takeover" by Indians in Indian newspapers like Economic Times (yes, a handful people of Indian origin out of the crème de la creme of the country immigrating to the west for decades became CEOs of global organizations and some Indian companies made acquisitions abroad). were convinced that India will be a superpower soon and started investing in Indian real estate like crazy often without verifying the credentials of the builder or the prevalent civic infrastructure in Gurgaon. Some of them compared the prices in India with those in some of the developed countries and found the real estate here "cheap". Did they forget that India's per capita GDP of $1000 is around 130th in the world? Even countries like Indonesia have a per capita GDP that is twice as much as India's. Did they forget that they are comparing prices of real estate amidst a third world infrastructure with those in the first world? Since they saw good appreciation in their properties thanks to lot of investors, it did not matter.

As the home sales drove up as a result of falling interest rates (you could get a loan for 7.5% at one time), low inflation, rising income levels and general optimism all around, a number of investors from all over came to join the party. A number of brokers made a killing and they themselves became investors. NRIs also realized the "potential" of Indian real estate and started investing in the real estate. The prices skyrocketed and it appeared that the homes were being built to be traded like the scrips on the stock market and not for people to live. Valuations, Purchasing power of the country, Infrastructure, economic fundamentals - none of it mattered. Investors believed that this is a party that would never end and they will be able to easily find a bigger fo--(err, a more savvy investor with deep pockets, often an NRI) to sell their property at a higher price.

What did the government do during the great boom? Well, it supported the boom by doing nothing. It "forgot" to build sewer lines and to provide power, water etc. You see all the big builders have 100% power backup in their projects and the water table in Gurgaon is still a number of years from completely depleting - so why bother?. Unitech Uniworld Garden has been running only on DG sets for more than a year and many buildings in DLF Cyber City are also running completely on DG sets - so others can also do it. What if the cost is high  - people in super luxury apartments can afford it and the high cost of operations for businesses does not matter as DLF has a lock-in for a few years.  It will now look for new unsuspecting buyers. What if businesses put brakes on growth in Gurgaon and instead decide to grow in Chennai, Pune or Kolkata - the babus would have built enough bank balance by that time conniving with those who prosper because of the poor infrastructure.

Now that the interest rates have steadily gone up in past several months, the inflation has gone up several times, stock market has lost 30% of value from its peak  (and hence the investor wealth), genuine home buyers have decided to say "No" to absurd price levels as either they are not affordable or they do not see value or both. A number of investors have put their properties on block and are not finding buyers, though, quite a few of them still remain optimistic. Builders have launched new properties at much lower rates though at farther places and have vowed not to go aggressively after building their land banks. Would all this lead to a wake up call for all the players involved and the consumer would see better infrastructure, better quality of buildings and better value for their money, only time will tell.

PS: Just when I was telling my wife that nobody is going to now buy Belvedre Park apartment, a friend told me about an ad from a broker that he saw which talked about a "lifetime opportunity" to invest in the "prestigious" apartment complex Belvedre Park. Old habits die hard.



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Luxury is relative (none / 0) (#6)
by saratdayal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:33:16 PM EST

You took words out of my mouth!

I have lived in the US for 36 years but have always had one foot firmly planted on the Indian soil, right down to owning property and making frequent trips to spend time with family and friends. Therefore, comparing the two widely disparate worlds comes quite naturally to me, and every time I am in India spending my NRI dollars, I reflect deeply on what money really buys in a country such as India, whether for a visiting NRI or a well-heeled resident.

Money in India does not, simply CANNOT, buy you a first world lifestyle. You said it yourself, "...luxury is a relative term having a reference to the living conditions in the third world countries."

What money definitely buys in India is a few layers of protection from the grinding, gut wrenching poverty of India. Now, India lovers, don't get on your high horses. I love the country.

Let me amplify my assessment, which is merely a positive extension of your negative but accurate commentary.

If you have money, you have a few but not all AC's in your house running all the time when the aam aadmi is sweating buckets in the brutal Delhi summer without even the benefit of simple ceiling fans. If you have money, you travel on pot-holed, water-logged streets of Gurgaon (yes, in my own fancy colony) BUT, what the heck, somebody else is doing the chore of driving. If you have money, you still have things breaking down all over your house but there are people at your beck and call ready to fix it because you can afford to tip generously. On the other hand, in the US, things would not constantly break down, but IF they do, watch out! If you have money - and this is a direct retort to your comment about pitifully tiny swimming pools - you have a little pool to dunk your overfed body into while the rest of the junta can't even get inside clubs and gyms with pools.

The point I am trying to make after 36 years of living in the US, and after many trips sampling the relative, higly relative, luxuries of Europe, Latin America and Asia is very simply this - luxury is a relative term having a reference to the living conditions in the third world countries. Oh, but you said that already.

I have visited upper middle class friends in London and Paris. I find their living conditions pathetic compared to the upper middle class luxuries in the US. Sorry, European friends, it's true. I have very rich relatives in a near-first world country (Trinidad to be precise), and the view from their balcony is of hundreds of little shacks and the "grand" entrance to their little fortresses is marred by little shops selling fried chicken, beer and auto repair. But they are insulated from all this with a big wall and a guard at the gate.

If you can accept the fact that words like luxury and global standards are not absolute but relative, and not just in India but all over the world, you will accept the imperfections of this world as they are. Then you will gladly settle for a few layers of protection from the local conditions rather than expecting global standards.


SDayal
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Relativity can be an excuse for lower standards. (none / 0) (#9)
by aka on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 08:18:08 AM EST

Dear Mr. Dayal,
Yes, definitions of luxury vary in the US, Europe, Latin America, India, and Trinidad.

Unfortunately, in India, our willingness to use the lowest common denominator as the standard for comparison leads to a "sab chalta hai" - "iss se bhi kahin kharab hai" attitude.

I have never been to Trinidad, but I did not see in the US or Europe - this combination of third rate "luxury" housing, next to a nallah (as you can see near Belvedere Park), on a fully washed up road worse than the country roads elsewhere, etc. The reason for this state of affairs in Gurgaon is: because by some "relative" standard we are better than the worst.

Without trying to offend our neighbours in Bangladesh, if we start claiming that Gurgaon is luxurious in comparison with Bangladesh, we will be able to rationalize. But, in those circumstances, we should stop claiming that as a country and as a people we are getting close to the ranks of first class nations.

Sir, please excuse me for saying so, but I was surprised by some of your comments after your having lived in the US for 36 years.

I also lived in North America for almost 20 years. Based on that experience, I would rather have better roads where I can drive myself, I would rather live in a Gurgaon where my driver can live respectably, where I can myself use the laundry machine and dishwasher all the time without worrying about power outages, where there is law and order, etc. etc. In that package, I will not mind if the only thing I have to compromise on is to call third rate construction from DLF or Unitech as "luxury".

What you have described can easily become an excuse for accepting "third rate and calling it luxury" because our basis of comparison for it is "fourth rate". Sadly, that is what has happened in our country. Let us not encourage it.

Finally, could you please recommend the brand of car that you use in Gurgaon, because in my car even though my driver drives it on the water- logged, and badly pot holed roads, I still feel the bumps while sitting in the back.

Thank you for a different perspective.

Cheers!



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Nobody is making excuses (none / 0) (#10)
by saratdayal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:56:09 AM EST

I was not condoning India's compromised and sometimes twisted definition of luxury. We all want India to improve, and unless people demand it, things will not improve. The US is a perfect example. Thanks to aggressive consumerism, strong free market forces, a free and vocal press and RELATIVELY responsible governments (there is that term again), I have seen countless products and services improve remarkably over the last 36 years in the US. India will need the same strong fundamentals working for it to bring about the type of improvements we all envision, and deserve.

I was merely giving you a sampling of the lifestyle and infrastructure in various first and near-first world countries, and there is indeed a spectrum, not a universal standard. This is not computer science or management practices or ISO and Six Sigma, all of which can be immediately brought in line with a uniform global standard if a country wants to participate in the global economy. Just because Indians are now traveling abroad in great numbers and foreigners are now living in Gurgaon and India is now a part of the global economy, India will not become the US, Germany or Australia in the next 10 to 20 years. Let's hope it becomes a Mexico or Brazil.  

This is not to say that we shouldn't agitate for a change. In fact, one of the most encouraging developments in India has been the proliferation of the media. A strong press is the consumer's best friend. This blog is a part of the media, too, and what you are saying here is raising consciousness in some measure.

Sadly, there is no brand of car that I can recommend to you to enhance your physical comfort on Gurgaon roads. Just tell your driver to dodge the potholes the best he can so that you can sip your masala chai from a mug while being chauffeured to your office.

Cheers!


SDayal
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Great perspectives (none / 0) (#11)
by sh23na on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:54:14 AM EST

saratdayal, aka, bangbandu - i think you guys are stirring up an intelligent and engaging conversation. Thanks for making this forum informative.


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Well said ! and insightful. (none / 0) (#5)
by aka on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 12:09:13 PM EST

You have described the situation very well and accurately. Hope we get more such posts from you.

By the way, did you hear the following about Belvedere Park?

Prices of Belvedere Park flats have gone up:
   - all the print and TV news gave lot of free publicity and national exposure to these luxury condos in Gurgaon.
   - Gurgaon brokers are now promoting new features of Belvedere Park condos:
        -'beach side' and 'with water view'
        -'no shortage of water'

Sorry to make light of the woes of Belvedere residents.  But, this is fully in line with (i) third rate properties being labeled as 'luxury', (ii) Gurgaon being called a world class city, and (iii) DLF CyberCity being called home of many of world's leading tech companies.



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Official Reply from DLF on Belevedre Towers (none / 0) (#7)
by RigidRock on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:26:43 PM EST

Dear Mr. Aka,

Good News and thanks for sharing it with us.
Our marketing department will get in touch with you shortly.

Ria
DLF Marketing

E-mail: wegiveyoudamn@dlf-marketing.com



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Most did not pay over a crore (none / 0) (#3)
by versatile on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 08:47:47 AM EST

It is incorrect to say that Belvedre Park apatrment owners paid crores for the property. However, most people did not pay over a crore for these apartments, though a few might have. All those who booked in the beginning, would have paid much much less than a crore even for a 4 bedroom apartment. (I know someone who bought Vipul Belmonte for Rs. 1700/sft and the quoted price now is Rs 5500/sft.) Of course, if you want to purchase one now, the price "quoted" will be over a crore. The funny thing about Gurgaon real estate prices is that many owners say that they would not be able to afford the apartment at current prices or they would not buy at these prices.


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Marketing Folder (none / 0) (#2)
by RigidRock on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:49:07 AM EST

Dear Sir/Madam,
My name is Ria and I am from the Marketing Department of DLF. We are doing a customer experience survey at our mega posh super luxury condo state-of-art condo Belvedre Towers. Please send your response to the email address:
straight-to-trash@dlf.com.
We will be obliged to get some photos of this beautiful neighbourhood for our new 2011 marketing brochure.
Best regards,
Ria  



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Dramaabaaz (none / 0) (#1)
by RigidRock on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:36:54 AM EST

The house owners are indulging in draamabazzi. They paid crores for this shabby property and hyped up DLF. Now they deserve to suffer.
If they are so rich they could spend few nights in 5* hotels like Trident and Crown Plaza when they had difficulty. It is not going to rain everyday.



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