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Real Estate Down But Not Out, Which Is True?


By akansha, Section Ask Questions
Posted on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 01:43:53 AM EST

If you go to a property broker as a buyer, he'll quote high. But haven't prices fallen? Nah, he'll say, only marginally. Go to him as a seller and he'll tell you it's a depressed market and quote a ridiculously low price. So, which is true?

A bit of both, actually. Property prices are down but haven't really crashed. Not yet and not at least in metros such as Delhi and Mumbai. But new properties on a city's periphery are going relatively cheap often by as much as 25-30% than the asking rate three months ago.

Developers are throwing in sops other than lower prices to get buyers interested. Some are even offering the undertaking of another rebate if prices fall further. They say the fish is finally beginning to take the bait - buyers have started coming in the past couple of weeks.

So, can prices fall any further? Perhaps, by another 5-10%, but there's no crash coming. At least, that's what real estate consultants say.

Anshuman Magazine, managing director of CB Richard Ellis, South Asia, says, ``Actually, the property market could be bottoming out, particularly for new apartment projects". But how are developers able to cut prices? Partly by cutting the fat profit margins that the real estate industry had got accustomed in the last four years and partly by sleight of hand. Market trends in the last couple of weeks suggest there is demand if developers sell their apartments for 25%-30% less than the going rate in the area.

Source: Times Of India Real estate down but not out

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UNITECH GARDENS 2 (none / 0) (#95)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Jan 15, 2010 at 03:23:10 PM EST

Hi,

Does anyone have idea, how the contruction process going on for Unitech Gardens 2 in Gurgaon.
Are they on track.

When is expected possession.

Thanks in Advance



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Tulip Orange (none / 0) (#91)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:50:04 AM EST

I need feedback on the Tulip Orange project on Sohna Road.


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tulip orange (none / 0) (#93)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 08:28:43 AM EST

i have invested in tulip orange.one installment paid, waiting 4 demand note 4 2nd installment.they assured me dat all paper-work is in order and that bhumi-pujan will be in september.
manishmunger@gmail.com



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tulip status (none / 0) (#94)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 09:11:22 AM EST

hey manish munger,
buddy now that you have invested you have no choice but to wait ;-) even I had gone to them in June when they had just started then they said bhumi pujan in august... I had earlier written look for papers in black and white don't go for assurances there is one army major whom they've in their office he's a complete fraud.. but buddy now that you have invested.. just pray you never know they just might build something..

Avijit



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Don't invest in Tulip Orange (none / 0) (#92)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 10:36:48 PM EST

Dear don't invest in orange even if they claim they have sold all their units (you don't want to be another fool... do you ??)

1.check their bank papers (there aren't any specially for this project, the available ones are for other projects)

  1. They don't have all clearances from the HUDA (Insist on all papers like flat builder license, environmental clearance etc. etc.)

  2. The group is only in construction and that too all of them are under construction therefore they are in huge shortfall of cash (and consumers won't give them more since they have not built... same with banks)

Don't fall in the trap of cheap prices and stupid broker promises (they've got nothing to loose you have)

Regards,
Avijit



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Uniworld Garden-Do not misguide (none / 0) (#87)
by zapper on Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 04:21:39 AM EST

Sometimes I really wonder that people like you try to misguide all with lack of information & facts.Anybody living that side knows that HUDA work is going on & they had dug the whole front due to sewrage.Hence this issue.
IT does not say something about building,its residents or its facilities.

You seem to be one who can not afford the cost ,hence grapes are sour kind of fella.

We have a company guest house there as well as in PV 1 & Vipul Greens, I found the people really upscale in Uiniworld Gardens as compared to rest of the two.

At least on Sohna road , it seems to be the best that is why prices are Rs 500-700per sq ft. higher than rest of buildings.

Also the rentals are higher by Rs 4000-5000 per apptt., now people are not paying higher amount for nothing.

Let's not say that they all do not understand value for money.

Also thanks for digging up a 2 years Old Video to prove rather a not-so-relvent point in today's scenario as 90% building is occupied & there seems to be no issue ,which you are trying to build upon.



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stop boasting about Uniworld garden.. (none / 0) (#88)
by Unregistered Visitors on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 01:16:13 AM EST

Stop boasting about Uniworld Garden...Vipul Green is much better in terms of workmanship, 3 pools, functional club with indoor badminton courts, pool tables, airconditioned gym, 3 sand pit and 3 paly areas for kids...
Uniworld Garden flats are curvaceous and not vastu friendly..



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Hi Vipul Garden (none / 0) (#89)
by Unregistered Visitors on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 08:30:50 PM EST

It is not that Vipul Garden is not good, but let's talk about the amenities mentioned by you in VG, are they not there in UG?

Only point here is to analyse ,why UG prices are higher than VG or any other building on Sohna Road?



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uniworld gardens (none / 0) (#84)
by raviraj on Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 12:57:35 AM EST

i have done a study of all the complexes on sohna road.
if one has a budget then one should go for uniworld gardens on sohna road.. excellent location,great crowd alongwith the best club .
quality of construction best among all builders though.
only sore point- price.
apartments cost around 1 cr.



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Wise People ! (none / 0) (#80)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 04:37:13 AM EST

It seems all wise people are on this site while not so wise people are making money in the real estate left, right and centre these days.

Guys, instead of thinking- buy and sell, and make money.



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Need for a website. (none / 0) (#74)
by Unregistered Visitors on Tue May 26, 2009 at 04:56:42 AM EST

There is a need for a website where owners can sell their properties without involving brokers.
This website may include banks/lenders to include the properties acquired by foreclosures.

I am looking for a ready-to-move in property, but unable to find at a lower than peak price. I am scared the prices are likely to shoot up again.

Any ideas?



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Its going down but slowly (none / 0) (#72)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sun May 24, 2009 at 10:41:43 AM EST

And will do so for another 3+ years.

More opaque a market, more the incentive for incumbents to not agree to the reality, until its too late and it becomes obvious to everyone. This includes everyone (property developers, dealers, consultants, advisors, bankers....)

For example, DLF & unitechs of RE were blindly building 1cr+ houses even when they knew that there is not so much demand for those. They were saying it was sold out (after selling less than 5% of the stock) and rates are being revised up. Remember Unitech Grande (suppposedly sold out at 7500+psft back in the day). I wonder how Sanjay Chandra is converting a sold out project to "integrated township".

Because, it was a party and no one wants to call it quits in the middle of the party.

Now they all say "we have eaten humble pie".

And you have to decipher their speak:
1) When they say "property prices have stabilized", what they really mean is: "they are not falling as fast as they were in last 3 months".



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Yahoo Group info. for DLF Park Place (none / 0) (#70)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat May 09, 2009 at 05:03:14 PM EST

http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/dlfparkplace/


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ICON Prices (none / 0) (#62)
by MRO on Tue May 05, 2009 at 07:11:01 AM EST

Last week I noticed a strange trend..few weeks back I got several calls from brokers quoting a price of Rs. 4400/4500 psf for DLF ICON and now the same is being quoted for 4800-5000. Dealers quote that of late lot of transactions have been done in only ICON and hence the price increase. In this gloomy scenario I find this upward trend strange..seems there is a cartel who want to push their units.

Can some of experienced boarders share their views. Also a harijan basti has cropped up touching the boundry of ICON. Is this a permanent colony ????



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don't worry - its just residual demand (none / 0) (#63)
by fubar on Tue May 05, 2009 at 09:37:27 AM EST

Well, I can't comment about the Harijan Basti. Given the way politics works in our country, that might become a permanent fixture.

The other issue of rising prices is more interesting. What is happening is that people who were missed buying a property in 2006-2008 period for self use and who still have jobs are thinking that this is the time for them to go for it. Since they have not lost their jobs till now and experts are already talking recovery, they are reasonably certain that the worst is over. This is what I call as residual demand. This is not new demand. Its just the leftover people. They will get absorbed soon in the huge oversupply that exists. After that it is only downhill for realty prices.



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provide evidence (none / 0) (#73)
by Unregistered Visitors on Mon May 25, 2009 at 11:56:20 PM EST

These brokers are at it again....creating this virtual demand scenario by showing that the property prices are rising again.

I faced the same situation when I enquired about ICON, I told them to show me the evidence that people are actually buying ICON at 5000-5500/sqft rates. He was mum.....

This is a game that these brokers played...wherein they always quoted atleast 200-300rs/sqft higher than previous bought price. This process finally ended up at an alarmingly high level where the buyers realized that the property is not worth the price being quoted and is really beyond the budget.

so, these brokers lost in their own game eventually by the underlying forces of the demand-supply which largly depends on the purchasing power of the customers. Ultimately, it is always the customer who is the king and he only can make or break buiness empires.

I personally feel that the realistic market forces driven price for DLF ICON should be not more than Rs4000/sqft.

So, beware buyers, even if you have the money to invest, please don't as this will only lead to speculation again and brokers will take advantage of it.



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Demand Vs Supply (none / 0) (#69)
by MRO on Wed May 06, 2009 at 06:23:33 PM EST

I agree with Fubar on this....to purchase an apartment ( for self use since at this stage very few may buy as an investment)worth 1.3 - 1.5 Cr. one must be earning at least 1.5 to 2 lacs(post tax)/month and that earning capacity normally comes around in the age group of 35-40 yrs...there may be very few in that age group who may be waiting..

Also there seems a huge over-supply getting build..if you take posh golf course road there are Park place, ICON, Pinnacle, Summit,La laguna, Suncity,Exotica,Belmonte (1.3-1.5 Cr braket) Aralias, Magnolas, etc..in the higher range, huge supply on Sohna Road...sec 57, 46 etc.. and then there are ready to move societies littered across golf course road, gold souk road...and in the best of these societies the occupancy is less than 50%. If there are people waiting to move into these blocks...where are they rigt now...either on rent somewhere in gurgaon then these societies would be full or in Delhi which is unlikely...Assuming they are on rent somewhere in Dlf phase IV, V , sushant lok 1 etc. then whenthey move to their own units then again there is an imbalance on supply side...

I request the comments of the boarders on this.

Best Regards



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bhagwan (none / 0) (#65)
by Unregistered Visitors on Tue May 05, 2009 at 09:56:44 PM EST

Tum to bhagwan ho yaar.... prediction pe prediction.... tumhare kehne se hota to hundreds of property brokers would have committed suicide by now.....


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bhagwan! (none / 0) (#64)
by Unregistered Visitors on Tue May 05, 2009 at 09:56:16 PM EST

Tum to bhagwan ho yaar.... prediction pe prediction.... tumhare kehne se hota to hundreds of property brokers would have committed suicide by now.....


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Brokers commiting suicide !! (none / 0) (#75)
by Unregistered Visitors on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 10:38:59 PM EST

My dear friend,
Brokers don't commit suicide coz they've got nothing to loose no operating expenses, no capital expense, they mushroom at scanty office somewhere in the village boundaries of sohna road or at any cheap commercial complex where i guess they take office at dirt cheap coz of their muscle power.

they make good tax free money just by renting out 3-4 flats and people don't have much choice but to pay them one month rent so even at 12000 rent and two flats per month they make 12000*3 = 48000(brokerage both from tenant and owner)

Regards,
Avijit



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brokers (none / 0) (#76)
by dumchickdumchick on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:02:22 AM EST

Good Point but terrible mathematics :-)

12000 * 3 = 36000

DumDum



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Thoughts on Park View City 1 and 2 (none / 0) (#79)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:54:02 AM EST

DumDum,

You seem to be well versed with the construction in Gurgaon. What are your thoughts on Park View City 1 and 2?

Thanks.



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I'm no expert (none / 0) (#81)
by dumchickdumchick on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:19:18 AM EST

Guys, I am no expert here but I just have some thoughts on the properties that I researched while I was looking for houses in GGN.

Just that I have done research for three (one for me, a close friend and my brother in law)purchases in the last 6 months I have seen various projects in budgets ranging from 40 lakhs to 90 lakhs across Gurgaon

Park View 1 was more spacious. I think the houses were probably bigger. The towers were well spaced out. Open spaces were good. I have learnt about the maintenance problems only on this site

Park View 2 looked neat from outside. Very clean and impressive but a walk inside made me feel claustrophic. The blocks were packed much more closely and I also found the flats a bit smaller thatn Park View 1. I found out that Vatika and Park View city 2 share a common wall and that Vatika and PVC blocks were very close. Going by the experience of people in PVC 1 regarding maintenance I am sure such problems may trouble PVC 2 owners as well

I saw 2 flats in PVC 2. I saw good about of seepage. But I think that's in most complexes in GGN.

I saw only 1 flat in PVC 1 but did not pursue PVC 1 more because honestly it was out of my budget.

My knowledge on Bestech as a builder is also not very positive. Though this is based on hearsey and people's comments

See for example no matter how much people can say bad about Unitech, the fact is that unitech construction is considered the best in GGN probably followed by DLF. Bestech had very negative responses.

My wife has an ex-colleague and a friend who has a flat in PVC2. He mentioned that builder had demanded several additional charges at the time of possession which were not justifiable.

BUT if Sohna Road is a compulsion and one is looking at appartments Vipul would be the best choice followed by PVC 1 and 2. Better than Orchid Petals (Concrete Jungle) and Parsavnath Greenville (extremely compact)

Vatika had a very unique look and feel which did not appeal to me much

DumDum

I do not mean to offend anyone. Please do not feel offended these are personal remarks, just opinions. I do not wish to generate a debate on my thoughts



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uniworld gardens (none / 0) (#83)
by raviraj on Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 12:55:37 AM EST

i have done a study of all the complexes on sohna road.
if one has a budget then one should go for uniworld gardens on sohna road.. excellent location,great crowd alongwith the best club .
quality of construction best among all builders though.
only sore point- price.
apartments cost around 1 cr.



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Uniworld Garden? Gimme a break (none / 0) (#85)
by dpst on Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 02:13:07 AM EST

Let me not start a discussion here since it is already over. Check out http://www.gurgaonscoop.com/story/2007/7/4/231727/1334

Also check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjDtJjA96Dg

I live closeby and have seen waterlogged UG entrance for a month, this when gurgaon received only showers, not monsoon.

Good luck.



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Dude, at least keep your eyes open (none / 0) (#90)
by Unregistered Visitors on Tue Aug 11, 2009 at 07:10:11 AM EST

That video is for Uniworld CITY not Uniworld GARDENS!


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Let's not misguide (none / 0) (#86)
by zapper on Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 03:46:36 AM EST

Sometimes I really wonder that people like you try to misguide all with lack of information & facts.Anybody living that side knows that HUDA work is going on & they had dug the whole front due to sewrage.Henc this issue.

IT does not say something abouth building,its residents or its facilities.

You seem to be one who can not afford the cost ,hence grapes are sour kind of fella.

We have a company guest house there as well as in PV 1 & Vipul Greens, I found the people really upscale in Uiniworld Gardens as compared to rest of the two.

At least on Sohna road , it seems to be the best that is why prices are Rs 500-700per sq ft. higher than rest of buildings.

Also the rentals are higher by Rs 4000-5000 per apptt., now people are not paying higher amount for nothing.

Let's not say that they all do not understand value for money.



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Thanks (none / 0) (#82)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 07:41:03 PM EST

Thanks DumDum. Your insight has been very helpful.


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Broker (none / 0) (#77)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 07:36:48 AM EST

Dum dum
Good observation but terrible eye for detail :-)

Actually, the final figure is correct. The calculation should have been

12000 * 2 * 2 (2 flats per month and charging both the owner as well as the tenant.



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wrong info in fact (none / 0) (#78)
by monu77 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 08:41:18 PM EST

Brokers are paid 15 days rent by both parties not one month so calculation should be 6000 * 2 * 2


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Re: bhagwan: (none / 0) (#66)
by Unregistered Visitors on Tue May 05, 2009 at 11:31:52 PM EST

Brother, suicide is a bit extreme but yes i recently cam across a broker who now drives a shared auto on rajiv chowk to badshahpur section :)


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bhagwan (none / 0) (#67)
by pretty on Wed May 06, 2009 at 10:24:13 AM EST

A friend of ours talked about 2 brokers - one works for "Aspirations" in Sikandarpur Markets and always seems to be "out of station" whenever called. another one used to work for "NCR Propmart" in Sushant Vyapar Kendra and now says that he only works "part time" as a broker.

Brokers surely appear to be in a dock.



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Imagination! (none / 0) (#68)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed May 06, 2009 at 01:08:08 PM EST

Even Bhagwan is not available or working part time in this market.


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Changing Economic Cycle (none / 0) (#61)
by Unregistered Visitors on Tue May 05, 2009 at 03:26:08 AM EST

Thats one property dealer talking non-sense.

My friend, you must read news papers, listen to news on tv, surf the net, if not just talk to people to keepup with the real world.

Living in isolation is not the mantra of good life.

Cheers !!!



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Changing Economic Cycle (none / 0) (#60)
by Unregistered Visitors on Mon May 04, 2009 at 05:52:04 AM EST

 The Real Estate is changing from down to up if the recent surge in stock market is any indication. Although it is difficult to predict how long and how much surge will continue upwards, but it sure is a positive indication.

 Already the experts,as experts opinion change with the changing scenario, are  indicating that the worst is over.

 People who are only reading negative comments on this site may be living in a fool's paradise. Prices for the ready to move in units have never come at the discount of 20-30% period in this tough time. To a surprise of everyone, builders have held up their unsold inventory.

 Best of luck to all potential buyers.



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Comparing Indian real estate to America's (none / 0) (#56)
by saratdayal on Fri May 01, 2009 at 06:11:10 PM EST

How can a country with a projected annual GDP growth of 6% to 7%, a veritable economic boom by western standards, not be able to afford its own housing, at least not in numbers large enough to sustain the same supply-demand equilibrium and hence the same prices as before?

Here is an economy where mortgage-to-GDP ratio is a scant 3% as opposed to 25 - 60% in the west, which means the buying public still has tremendous unspent borrowing power. The much vaunted demographic dividend - a primarily young population forming households and seeking new housing - is still as true in 2009 as in 2006. The country's highly conservative banking system, barely affected by the all the toxic stuff spewed by those darn Yankees into the global financial markets, still has lots of money to lend at interest rates which have been recently subsidized by RBI. Admittedly there are fewer buyers, especially those whose income is directly linked to the global economy, especially export. However, India's is not a highly export-dependent economy like China's, and the domestic market's strength of India shows in its relatively stable unemployment figures even in today's economy. In simpler terms, only a small percentage of real estate buyers in India are in such globally depressed fields as IT or financial sectors. The vast majority still has the same income, and more importantly, the same consumer confidence in 2009 as in 2006.

So why has the country's real estate market lost 20% to 30% of its value in 2009, a fact that only the extremely delusional would deny? None of the American economic woes apply to India. Yet India's real estate market is down by exactly the same percentage as America's.

My theory is that just like Americans went on a consumption binge fueled by credit that was too easy,  Indians, too, went on a real estate buying rampage fueled by credit that became available for the first time to the masses. Mortgage lending is a post-liberalization industry in India, and while never reckless or predatory, it did turn average investors into overnight real estate moguls and average salarywallahs into owners of 3BHK/2,000 sq ft apartments with clubhouse and pools. The mere advent of mortgage lending enabled people to buy way above their means. And that makes bubbles, and bubbles always burst.

One may question if a fellow who was making 1 lakh per month in 2005 or 2006 and bought a 50 lakh apartment - the proverbial 3BHK/2,000 sq ft - really bought above his means. That is 4 times of one's annual salary. In my opinion, he did buy above his means, and the reason was available credit, which was the Indian equivalent of the easy credit that destroyed the real estate market in the US. For your information, buying real estate at 4 times of one's annual salary is exactly the type of binging that landed us in a real estate meltdown here in the US.

In India, it is this mid-segment of the market that is in trouble, not real estate in general. There is currently a 6.5 million unit shortage in the urban housing market of India, but it is mostly in the sub-1,000 sq. ft. segment. Understandably, the likes of Unitech and DLF, long used to delivering luxury products, cannot turn on a dime and start building millions of sub-1,000 sq. ft., below-20 lakh ruppes units to meet the huge demand. But that is where the sweet spot of India's real estate market is and will remain for decades. Just look at China. The average size of an apartment sold in Beijing by Century 21 - so we are not talking about the jhuggis of Beijing - is 925 sq. ft. This is the average size in a country whose PPP (purchasing power parity, or "buying power" in layman terms) is 66% higher than India's. What do you think is the average size of apartments that have lost 30% of their value in places such as Gurgaon and Noida? It is considerably more than 925 sq. ft. Frankly, people did overspend on real estate in India, and every binge is followed by a hangover.

I apologize for my rambling comments, but I am confused enough with India's real estate market to agree with both Fubar and Rohit. I own several properties in the US as well as in India, and they are all down 20% to 30%. If I ever have enough money to buy real estate in India again, I will only buy 925 sq. ft. apartments.


SDayal
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The Real Costs (none / 0) (#57)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat May 02, 2009 at 08:43:57 AM EST

There is nothing sacrosanct about a 925 sqft flat. What you fleetingly mentioned is a 925 sqft flat for sub 20L which will make it roughly a flat for 2000/sqft.

And this is what the builders are not offering. Some may say this is an impossible price for builders to meet. But just have a look at the following.

1 acre = 4840 sqyds = 43560 sqft
HUDA allows a FAR of 1.75 (for group housing) which means 76230 sqft of built up area.
Most people talk of a construction cost of 700/sqft and I sort of agree with it. However taking a construction cost of 900/sqft will lead to a construction cost of 68,607,000.
1 acre of land at 12500/sqyd (a generous price given the sizes of the land that builders buy) means a land cost of 60,500,000

Thus the total cost is 129,107,000

If one were to make dwelling units of size  1500 sqft, it would mean 50 dwelling units with each unit costing 25.8 lacs at 1720/sqft.

Do note that the land price and construction cose taken are at the higher end.

And it clearly shows that it is possible to make and sell property at sub 2000 levels.

If one were to change the land cost to 8000/sqyd and construction cost to 700/sqft then the flat is for 20L @ 1330/sqft.

Just think about it. Do you think the DLF's and Vatika's have bought land in sector 82 etc for more than 8000/sqyd. The real price will be much lesser.

And we can just imagine the profits they are still wanting to make at these 'discounted' rates.



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The real costs and sub 2000 rs/psf feasibility (none / 0) (#58)
by Realuser on Sun May 03, 2009 at 11:44:13 PM EST

Just to add another dimension to this discussion - Unitech MD had gone on record and claimed that his average land cost in gurgaon is 100 rs/psf (one hundred rupees).

Now do all the math and find out how much it costs the builders.

All builders and related associations are trying to misguide people by announcing that it is not possible to reduce prices further. The REALITY is that they havent reduced any prices. All the talk of 30 to 40% reduction in prices is crap

  1. Almost every developer has unsold inventory but i didnt see anyone offering more than 7-10% discount on property (this discount is offered on peak market prices and not on launch prices)

  2. In Gurgaon,give me 1 project which is ready to move or even near and where price has reduced by 30%?

  3. Builders are reducing floor area of each flat and trying to show it as price reduction. They are still launching properties at higher prices. Even if someone launch at 3000 psf, they are reducing the facilities - which means their cost of construction is even lower

  4. All builders talk about 20% difference in Super built up area and carpet area. You can scan the 100 projects in Gurgaon and you will not find even a single builder following this rule. Very few cut 25% and most cut 30-35%.

All in all, if builders can be honest and deliver the proper carpet area and try to make 20-25% profit (they want to make 200%) then i think it is feasible to get much cheaper homes. Also i dont see such a builder facing any cash crunch at any point of time.

They are being dishonest and taking people for granted. We shouldnt fall in their trap and let them fail. It is time that common man stand united and stop being robbed on various pretexts.



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its a cartel (none / 0) (#59)
by fubar on Mon May 04, 2009 at 12:47:02 AM EST

Unitech MD has said more than that. He has gone on record saying that total cost, including the cost of land acquisition, comes to 1000 Rs psf in Gurgaon. They can for sure cut rates and rates will go down but only if there is competition.

If company A wants to sell their 1000 Cost prices thing at 3000 and company B comes and is able to manage costs better and take a slight cut in margins then company B can sell for 2500. Similarly when there are enough companies and enough competition, prices will come to levels below which they become unfeasible. This is what happens in a free market. However, in a cartel rules are different. Like OPEC decides to cut production whenever rates fall. Real estate in India is a cartel. Unless the cartel is broken by allowing foreign companies to come and build at reasonable rates and world standards, this loot of common people will carry on non-stop.

If you think closely, what has changed in India? Earlier landlords used to suck the lifeblood of landless labourers, today it is the real-estate companies looting common man and putting him under a huge debt-burden for all of his working life. So much to show for 60 years of democracy!!!

This is what we have got in 60 years of democracy.



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Yahoo group for tulip petals users.. (none / 0) (#51)
by khairwalsandeep on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 04:07:08 AM EST

Request to all users who booked flat in tulip petals to join the group..to share our views and queris..

http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/tulip_petals/



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Sohna Road @ 2200 - New Project Launches (none / 0) (#43)
by dumchickdumchick on Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 09:21:02 PM EST

Just got a sms from a agent of Tulip for a project just off sohna road for 2400 psf (with additional dicsount of 200)
http://www.tuliporange.in/

The project site appears to be next to their tulip perla project. I've seen the perla site, not a brick has moved there for the last 7-8 months but location and prices wise the project looks attractive

So no there are options available in the 30 lakh range for a 3 bhk (ninex, atrium, tulip orange)

Unitech just launched another project (unitech residences) near to it's Uniworld gardens 2 in the same price range (~ 3200 psf). It appears unitech is just trying to lure customers by making houses affordable by reducing the size of the house and not the psf rate

BUT I dont think people are ready just yet to book in new projects, specially in a market like gurgaon where project delays are very much the norm



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Ansal Megapolis (none / 0) (#41)
by Unregistered Visitors on Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 01:22:23 AM EST

If you have invested in Ansal Megapolis, join the group of fellow investors at:

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/ansal_megapolis_gn/



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Sohna Road @2200 psf - New project launches (none / 0) (#39)
by Unregistered Visitors on Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 12:05:43 AM EST

Just got a sms from a agent of Tulip for a project just off sohna road for 2400 psf (with additional dicsount of 200)

<a href="http://www.tuliporange.in/">http://www.tuliporange.in/</a>

The project site appears to be next to their tulip perla project. I've seen the perla site, not a brick has moved there for the last 7-8 months but location and prices wise the project looks attractive

So no there are options available in the 30 lakh range for a 3 bhk (ninex, atrium, tulip orange)

Unitech just launched another project (unitech residences) near to it's Uniworld gardens 2 in the same price range (~ 3200 psf). It appears unitech is just trying to lure customers by making houses affordable by reducing the size of the house and not the psf rate

BUT I dont think people are ready just yet to book in new projects, specially in a market like gurgaon where project delays are very much the norm



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Sohna Road @2200 psf :D (none / 0) (#44)
by fubar on Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 10:40:11 PM EST

When I said sometimes back that Sohna road should not command more than 2000 psf, a lot of people were furious. But we are getting there. Another 10% and bang on target!!!


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what happened to tulip petals? (none / 0) (#47)
by surajitguha on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 09:35:21 PM EST

hope it is not yet another stunt project to raise money to fun  prevously launched and forgotten project... for example what happened to tulip petals


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About Tulip Petals.. (none / 0) (#48)
by khairwalsandeep on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 09:55:04 PM EST

Work on tulip petals is going on..its the only project in that area where some progress is going on....builder is confident to  finsh it on time...i my self visited the site last month...progress is a bit slow but its going on...


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when is the delivery (none / 0) (#50)
by surajitguha on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 02:55:06 AM EST

i guess mid 2011 is the delivery of Petal... will they do that!k


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Re:when is the delivery (none / 0) (#52)
by khairwalsandeep on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 04:12:25 AM EST

As per developers comments delivery is by mid of 2010.but i expect it by end of 2010.right now the progress speed is slow..but they committed to soon be in full fast swing..


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Fools buy houses, wise people build their own (none / 0) (#53)
by cindy on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 08:54:34 AM EST

The Fool
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When you buy a flat from a builder he is selling to you at a profit. Cost of building for a builder is around Rs.700/- per sqft. excluding land cost. The same is sold nowadays for Rs.3000-Rs.4500 per sqft. (WHAT A RIP OFF!!). So if you buy a house for say 3000/- per sqft then your paying 2300/- towards the builder's profit! You get Rs.7 worth goods for Rs.30/-!! (You could as well do social work ;-)

Smart Guy
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Buys two grounds land first and waits for price to appreciate. Then he sells one ground and with that money builds his own house on COST. No paying money towards the profits of any builder. YOU GET A HOUSE FOR COST PRICE! Plus you get to build a first or even second floor when you have the money (PLUS you can have 2 dogs, one cat or even cow as a pet, play music at high volume and grow vegetables and let your kids play badminton on the front lawn...lol)

Wise Guy
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Always stays in rented house and does business with the rest of the money. Never builds a house but only buys commercial property and rents out for high rentals - makes a ton on money sitting at home and doing nothing.



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how do u deal w crime (none / 0) (#54)
by rohitsharma on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 09:28:23 AM EST

Given all the crime in gurgaon (which will only increase) I would not be caught dead building and living in a house in gurgaon. At least apartments give you some semblance of security, plus the uninterrupted power, water.


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you missed the point again!!! (none / 0) (#55)
by fubar on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 09:29:51 PM EST

Yes community living is much more convenient but the builder is not giving you the community. He is selling you just the building.

YOU BUILD THE COMMUNITY.

Why are you paying the builder for that then?



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Tulip Petals and Tulip Perla (none / 0) (#49)
by dumchickdumchick on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 11:47:46 PM EST

An employee of Tulip Infra was in touch with for their Tulip Perla project. He was offering me a 3 bhk for 46.94 lakhs with some discount for about 2-3 lakhs. The psf was around 2500 - 2600

I first contacted them in Aug/ sep 2008 and so far no work has begun on the site (thats nearly 9 months). I contacted them again a few weeks back and was given the same answer "we will start in 3-4 months"

I can only guess that the time when they actually start construction at tulip orange will be about an year away.

I've been told that work has begun at Tulip petals though at a slow pace. But tulip petals is in a far off location and in the current market scenario the price is not justified for the state and location of the project.

Just my opinion



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Tulip Orange (none / 0) (#71)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat May 23, 2009 at 07:48:54 AM EST

Whats your take about Tulip orange ? I think its construction will kick start alongwith Perla in Sept'09. It is quite reasonably priced @ 2200 + discount


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sohna road at 2,200 psf (none / 0) (#45)
by Unregistered Visitors on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 12:43:37 AM EST

can u pls infm which project it is.


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Tulip orange (none / 0) (#46)
by dumchickdumchick on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 12:00:40 PM EST

Tulip orange is the name of the project

http://www.tuliporange.in/



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Your Answer. (none / 0) (#27)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 08:18:40 AM EST

Have you not answered your question? Why did you call me a real estate agent?

Use common sense.



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Will prices go up? (none / 0) (#2)
by Unregistered Visitors on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 09:36:41 AM EST

If prices do not go down in the next six months, in my opinion, they will start climbing at a steep rate.

The demand is there, and further construction is at a standstill.

New projects will hardly see the light of the day as they are imaginary and meant to give cushion to credit crunched developers.

Inspite of all the gloom and doom, the prices have not come down.

Mr. O.P. Bhatt, SBI- any take on this? Where is 50% decline?



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Even if prices dont fall (none / 0) (#5)
by rohitsharma on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 10:02:00 AM EST

    I remember that prices on Delhi real estate remained essentially flat over 12-13 years upto 2004-2005 since which time they have quadrupled.
So even if the prices dont go down and stay flat for the next decade, that would be a big loss for investors in terms of how much they can earn elsewhere, e.g. in the bank.



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Comparison of Projects on Sohna Road (none / 0) (#9)
by Vinubha on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 07:49:27 PM EST

Dear All

Can you please compare the Projects by various builders on Sohna Road on the following parameters:

Location
Price/Sqft
Amenities Provided
Satisfaction Level

I am specifcially interested to know more about Park View, Vatika City and Vipul Greens Project..

What should be the decent Price/ Sqft on Sohna Road in current market conditions?

Is Sohna Road better as compared to other sectors of Gurgaon for commuting to Udyog Vihar and other areas where ITES companies have offices?

Thanks
Vinubha



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vipul green (none / 0) (#29)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 08:41:20 PM EST

Undoubtedly Vipul Green, where 3 swimming pools, clubs etc. are fully functional and has very good RWA..


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Sohna Road - Which Project is good? (none / 0) (#30)
by Vinubha on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 09:12:57 PM EST

Thanks for the info. Can you please provide some inputs on Park View and Vatika City also?

What should be the decent Price/ Sqft on Sohna Road in current market conditions?

Is Sohna Road better as compared to other sectors of Gurgaon for commuting to Udyog Vihar and other areas where ITES companies have offices?

Thanks
Vinubha



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sohna road (none / 0) (#42)
by Unregistered Visitors on Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 08:20:31 AM EST

Park View and Vatika are also good. Gurgaon is still a very small city with low traffic, so distances are too small. Life is still cool and enjoyable..
Sohna Road has good strategic position..



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Make no mistakes. (none / 0) (#6)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 10:30:35 AM EST

An investor earns rent that usually gives much better rate of return than bank deposits besides rental income gives tax advantage.


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lol (none / 0) (#7)
by fubar on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 11:30:01 AM EST

A one crore flat gets an annual rent of 3 lacs which is 3%. How is it better than bank deposits? The money lying in your savings account gets you 3-4%.

Tax advantage? It exists if you do not show it. So it becomes black money. But then that is a crime. So you may commit bigger crimes to get rich fast. Whats the fun in saving 20-30% tax on the monthly rent?



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See a tax-planner or a Chartered Accountant. (none / 0) (#8)
by Unregistered Visitors on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 05:21:33 PM EST

Please see a tax-planner or a Chartered Accountant. Should you have assets, an investment loan can be taken against assets to get you the advantages of rental property.

No body is likely not going to pay one crore whole amount to get rent. Rather all the benefits of mortage deduction, investment loan deduction and other rental deductions (Capital Cost Allowances etc.) will be taken to get short term/long term capital gains advantages to their optimum values.

It seems you have an opinion, but you need an informed opinion for which either you get advise or take up studies.

I do not know what is your 'lol', but if you are asking for my location, I am in Canada.

It is not possible for me to reply to every individual or further to your discontents with the real estate prices.

I hope you will understand that.



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Gurgaon is not Canada, eh! (none / 0) (#14)
by aka on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 11:16:07 AM EST

Interesting. Your comments show your Canadian location and thinking. But, Gurgaon is not Canada.

I can explain with numbers, why Fubar was essentially right in his comments about low rental returns etc. But, you seem to be very knowledgeable about CCA, financial engineering etc., So, I will let you do the numbers yourself.

The reality is that in Gurgaon, if you want to buy a 1 crore property, the seller will want you to pay about 60 Lakh or Canadian $ 150,000 in black. I do not know which bank will give you a loan in black. And, I think Canada has strict laws against money laundering.

At rentals of Rs. 3 lakh a year, even with all the financial engineering, you won't get an after-tax cash flow return in excess of 4%. At present, FDs in India are in the 9% (or 6% after tax) range, and with FDs all your capital is still white which you can even remit to Canada in full. (Not so with the black maney).

The facts are that today, neither the real estate prices nor rental returns make sense in India. On the affordability test, the real estate prices have a long way to go, ........down!

Cheers my friend, enjoy the Canadian summer, which is lot cooler than the 40 degrees I felt in Gurgaon today.

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Real Estate Investment. (none / 0) (#19)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 06:11:12 AM EST

The issue is not if Gurgaon is Canada or Canada is Gurgaon. It was meant to be an investment idea for someone with the right frame of mind and wealth.

The example of one crore was used by the previous person making the comment.

It can be done at the lesser value, and without the use of black money.

The idea at this junction of the real estate market in NCR is to get a property with least down payment, preferably coming from a loan of an asset, and getting all legitimate deductions to create a positive cash flow from rental income. Once this is done, a person can wait till the person can sell it at a profit.

I will be coming to NCR shortly to do this. Incidentally, summer in Canada has not started yet. In the meantime, you enjoy your summer with all the negative feelings you have.

eh.



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No way (none / 0) (#23)
by rohitsharma on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 07:42:47 AM EST

There is no way you can have positive cashflow if your rent is so low (2-3%) and your annual interest on loan is (10% or higher), unless you put in a lot of cash as down payment (which defeats the purpose), no matter how much deductions.


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Mr. Einsten, (none / 0) (#25)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 07:55:08 AM EST

Mr. Eisten, whose figures are you using this time?

Please quote an example with real numbers drawn with the help of a qualified accountant.

This is no place to learn.



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Bhai saheb, aap hi example de do (none / 0) (#32)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 06:24:33 AM EST

You are telling everyone to show an example with the help of some qualified accountant.

Mujhe to aap khud hi accountant ya kanedian MBA lagte ho. Iss liye, aap khud hee example de do, sab nambron ke saath. Bas, saara jhagdha khatm ho jayega!

Ek baat hai - aap uss Gurgaon wale kidney doctor jaise nahin ho, jisko Canada ne immigration dee thee aur jo Gurgaon aur Toronto mein rehta thaa. Woh, duniya bhar men Gurgaon se kidney sell karke Canada main paise lagata thaa.

Ab aap, Gurgaon mein rent cash flow banake aur tax bachakar, honesty se, Canada mein paise lagayen ge. Bas ek example kee jaroorat hai aapse.

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Bhai Saheb. (none / 0) (#33)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 09:24:13 AM EST

 Bhai Saheb, main Delhi mein jaldi hi aah rahein huien. Aagar aapke paas koi property bacheine koi hai, toh aap aapna naam, aur telephone number dain. Maaine aek flat kridaynane hai. Aagar aapke paas koi flat bacheine koi hai, tou batein. praperty kain ddamen mai 35% geeratwatei aaai hai, aur 35% aainea ki saambayna hai. Main aapki praperty, bazzar ki keemat par kreeduin ga, aagar mujhe aapki praperty pasand aah gai.

  Main nai to koi aakuntant huien or nahi MBA, nahein hee main kidney kai dactar huin.

   Jab, aur aagar mein neh, aap kee praperty khaareed li, toh aap koi saamag main aah jaaega, saab numer. Vaarna, aapko main buleha kai, kooch paasa per aapna envestment koi saamja doonga.

  Maare paas khali aak flat kridnaye kee guunjesh hai.

   Aapke jawab kaa danyavada.



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Please bataayein, aapka budget kitna hai (none / 0) (#36)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sun Apr 26, 2009 at 06:42:23 AM EST

Agar, aap serious hain to aapse jaroor mila ja sakta hai. Please bataayein, aapka budget kitna hai. Iss tareh, aap ya mein apna time barbaad nhain kareinge.

Yeh jaan kar khushi hui ki aap kidney waale doctor nahin hain. Vaise hi log aajkal kanada ja rae hain Bharat se.

Aap accountant ya MBA nahin hain phir bhi aapke pass property financing ka bahut gyaan hai. Kya dhanda karte hain aap kanada main.

Dhanyavaad!



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Please post your no. here (none / 0) (#31)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 05:22:32 AM EST

I am not sure, but it seems you are the same Canadian gentleman (or lady) who wrote above.

If you want to buy some properties during your visit to NCR (to take advantage of the tax breaks, asset backed loans etc. etc.) please post your number on this site.

I have some properties in NCR which you might want to buy. I am not getting enough rent there and when I go to sell, the brokers tell me that prices are down more than 30%. I am waiting for some eager buyer to pay a good price. Someone with your ideas will natuarally see much more value in these properties than the NCR brokers.

You are an expert who can maximize real returns, you should also be able to help DLF and Unitech to get their finances in order. Their shares are trading at about 20% of the value last year. Please give them some creative ideas. You will help a lot of retail investors and the Indian economy.

Please post your number here. (I am an owner and not a broker).



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Thank you for your interest. (none / 0) (#34)
by Unregistered Visitors on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 12:00:08 PM EST

 I thank you for your interest on my comments about levarging a real estate property.

A reply has already been posted under the heading," Bhai Saheb". I hope you, if interested, to sell your property at the market rate when I visit India, will be able to post your name/number for me to contact you. Unfortunately, there are only two ways to learn either through someone, after you pay the person or gain through life experience.

Should you leave your name/number, if I like your property you will be able to learn from both. For a fee, I will provide you a copy of my income-tax for you to take it to whatever authority you like.

At this time, I have only worth to withstand one flat.

You have mentined two builders/developers. These builder/developers can sell their properties if they ask current market price. After all, a major builder has been able to sell all units in West Delhi at 32% discounts. The price in Gurgaon should be further down. How low? Your guess.

I hope you will write further.

Thanks, again.



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again bad example (none / 0) (#35)
by fubar on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 12:56:55 PM EST

If you are talking about DLF's Shivaji Marg project then I can tell you that project would have sold even with out the discount. That area is in the middle of Rajouri Garden, Punjabi Bagh, Patel Nagar. All very affluent colonies. There are very good schools, operating for 50 years or more, in that area. Same about markets and other amenities. That area is one of the best in Delhi. And of course they were selling a limited number of units.

How much supply does Delhi have in such posh areas? All you have in Delhi is a far flung Dwarka which only has metro and a rising crime graph surrounded by crap from all sides and most flats lying vacant. And Gurgaon is no better than Dwarka for most part. Plus it has a huge oversupply too.



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let the truth prevail (none / 0) (#3)
by fubar on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 08:13:58 AM EST

All Truth always passes through three stages.

First, it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed.

Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Property markets are somewhere between stage 2 and 3 right now.



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Lies (none / 0) (#4)
by Unregistered Visitors on Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 12:11:40 PM EST

All lies go through these three stages,

First, it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed.

Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

I hope you will be able to judge this.



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I am back with more "truth" (none / 0) (#10)
by fubar on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 03:00:04 AM EST

Here is an interesting study by two Harvard and Maryland guys: http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/rogoff/files/Aftermath.pdf

The key points are:

"First, asset market collapses are deep and prolonged. Real housing price declines average 35 percent stretched out over six years, while equity price collapses average 55 percent over a downturn of about three and a half years. Second, the aftermath of banking crises is associated with profound declines in output and employment. The unemployment rate rises an average of 7 percentage points over the down phase of the cycle, which lasts on average over four years. Output falls (from peak to trough) an average of over 9 percent, although the duration of the downturn, averaging roughly two years, is considerably shorter than for unemployment. Third, the real value of government debt tends to explode, rising an average of 86 percent."

I was talking of only 4 years of falling prices. These guys say it is six years. I am a damn big optimist :D

Discalimer: A study has found that Gurgaon property dealers have higher IQs than Harvard professors on an average. This study, therefore, must be taken with a pinch of salt.



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Gurgaon Vs. Harvard (none / 0) (#11)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 04:18:52 AM EST

Be cautious when you compare the study with Indian situation because we did not have a banking crisis (but you can go on and predict that as well). There were trillions of dollars that came in via cheap loans to fund American real estate. Not sure if you ever got a loan at 4.5% payable in 30 years with negative amortization for first 2 years for a value that was more than you asked for because the bank had shit loads of funds to lend. I am no supporter of Gurgaon brokers or builders (actually dislike lots of them) but since you made a out of context insight, I felt like writing. Remember - markets will surprise us all.


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ggn vs harvard (none / 0) (#12)
by fubar on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 07:33:48 AM EST

1. Since there is no such data available for India so any data would be out of context. In 1929, India had no stock market so would you say Indian market can not fall 85% ever?

2. How do you know there is no problem in Indian Banking?

a) Real estate developers could not pay their dues on time and they should have been marked as bad loans but govt. allowed banks to carry them on their books till June 2009. Let this date come and this will be extended further.
b) SBI came out with a right issue last year and are planning to raise more capital now in such depressed market. Why? What is the urgency to raise capital now? Preparing for coming defaults?
c) ICICI bank has huge derivative exposure they do not need to disclose since MTM rules are changed.
d) Does any banker harass you for loans over phone any longer? Why are banks wary of lending now and keeping money with RBI at way lower rates?
e) Unitech did a QIP at 35-38Rs per share. One year back they could have sold for 10 times the stock. Still they are raising capital at such low price. Why? Do they see a deep protracted downtrend?

If the industry is cautious that means they are expecting something. Whether that happens or not is another question. But to say everything is fine is like being an ostrich.



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Stop crying blue! (none / 0) (#13)
by Unregistered Visitors on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 10:40:15 AM EST

Stop crying blue for the doomsday because this ain't going to happen.

The reality stocks have increased in value. The million of investors are showing confidence in the reality companies.

Mr. O.P. Bhatt of the SBI has already made a statement that the worst is behind us.

Reality companies have been succesful in getting loans as Arun Kumar has recently done with HSBC.

The present conditions present excellent opportunities for investor's to make money.

Banks are strong in India even magzines like the economist and newspaper like New York Times have praised Reserve Bank of India. The Americans are likely to bring regulatory system on the lines of RBI.

Find some other past time activity than critising the real estate sector.

Enough doomsday from you!



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Mr Real Estate Agent (none / 0) (#16)
by rohitsharma on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 11:49:18 AM EST

You seem like you have a vested interest in prices remaining at artificial bubble levels. Tell us your story.


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My Story! (none / 0) (#18)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 05:14:26 AM EST

My story is same as of the hindi writer, " Munshi Prem Chandra". To lear more go to your local library.

You should have no problem as the story is identical.



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Dont think so (none / 0) (#24)
by rohitsharma on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 07:44:35 AM EST

The last i checked Munshi Prem Chand was not selling or investing in Gurgaon real estate.


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okay (none / 0) (#15)
by fubar on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 11:22:55 AM EST

Theek hai yaar, u win. Be happy.

There is no recession. Nobody is losing jobs. The new bull run has begun. And as someone in USA (was it Bush) said, "recession is only in the minds of the people". May be I get a change of mind. That might be the best investment after all.

Friends, I declare the new Bull Run 2009 open!!!



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Don't give up (none / 0) (#17)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 01:43:50 AM EST

You are right in most regards but straight line comparisons with US/Japan would make a lot of sense when we become like them (may be 60 years from now). Gurgaon has seen correction but the brokers (who were making making in an opaque manner) have still managed to not let the correction become public... compare this with mumbai where the builders and brokers are little more pragmatic and the prices are down publicly 25-40%... Gurgaon shall see some tears for properties which are way above the ticket size of 50-60L.... and trust me there are plenty of them (actually the bulk of the supply is for these)... its not a question of who would pay for 2400 sft 3 bhk but a question of who would need a 2400-3bhk!... its also good to look around and have a look at the recent corporate results - they reflect negative sentiment but way different from the panic situation... the money is seeping back in for credit... e.g. SBI in mumbai is sitting on loan application backlogs (and this for new homes not merely transfers) so much that they are not even taking enquiry calls (I moved a loan transfer from the best Indian bank - ICICI) 2 weeks ago and the file has not even been sorted... I have a couple of units in mumbai and my definition of emi = 2.5*rent, good to buy equation is coming true but gurgaon is still off - I am too waiting for things to get closer to the formula before diving in... but I think this is the time to start donning the swimsuit in preparation of the dive..... cheers!

PS: Indian banks are well capitalized to even take load of 3 times their current NPA levels (and these NPAs are likely to come from business and not residential loans)



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EMI = 2.5* Rent? (none / 0) (#20)
by rohitsharma on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 06:27:51 AM EST

You must be loaded man when you have so much negative cashflow with EMI = 2.5 * rent, and you are ok with that. I am assuming you are looking to make that up in the price appreciation?S


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Mr. Einsten (none / 0) (#21)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 07:34:39 AM EST

Where did you come out with this formula on the lines of E=mc2 ?

Investors use different means and methods.



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Read #17 (none / 0) (#22)
by rohitsharma on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 07:37:46 AM EST

That is what #17 said in his postiing.


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Don't buy (related to #17) (none / 0) (#26)
by Unregistered Visitors on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 08:04:31 AM EST

EMI = 2.5*Rent.. after taking into account tax benefits and inflation adjusted annual increase would be as if you are paying interest marginally over the rent (net of tax in both cases) with the convenience of your own home plus participating in once a decade above normal price rise. If you guys think that your EMI should more or less be like your rent, than its about time to get REAL... because this is like equating daily taxi fare*30 days with your car emi ;)

its a pity that i can't post more detailed calculations here but anyone who wants to have a look at a spreadsheet where you can understand whether at these levels it makes sense to buy or not can post your email ids and i will try to email the xls to you....

Others - never ever buy until the value reaches a low that rent is more than the EMI... that day will also come... cheers!!!



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talk some sense (none / 0) (#28)
by fubar on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 08:30:31 AM EST

You say:
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EMI = 2.5*Rent.. after taking into account tax benefits and inflation adjusted annual increase would be as if you are paying interest marginally over the rent (net of tax in both cases) with the convenience of your own home plus participating in once a decade above normal price rise. If you guys think that your EMI should more or less be like your rent, than its about time to get REAL...
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Your argument is devoid of any logic.
If my EMI is 2.5X rent then I save 1.5X every month. What do I do with that? You have assumes I blow it up. Isn't it?
But I invest it. And let's say if I put it in stocks then I can still get inflation adjusted returns and participate in __twice__ a decade above normal price. I can give you ten more benefits of stock investing. In fact, you can search my two previous posts where I talked about why stocks are a better investment and the other where I put the arguments in favour of renting versus buying.



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Stocks<>House (none / 0) (#40)
by Unregistered Visitors on Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 12:40:02 AM EST

Please go ahead and live in your demat a/c or continue to be at the beck and call of your landlord. Have fun.


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unfortunate situation (none / 0) (#1)
by fubar on Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 02:44:38 AM EST

If you go to a property broker as a buyer, he'll quote high. But haven't prices fallen? Nah, he'll say, only marginally. Go to him as a seller and he'll tell you it's a depressed market and quote a ridiculously low price.
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How can some brokers hold the whole market hostage? Buyers are willing as are sellers and if they negotiate directly they can make the deal happen. It is surprising that sellers still believe the dealers can get them a better price and refrain from contacting buyers directly. In fact, internet has made it so easy if some one really wants to do it.



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